Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR

[LosPollosHermanos]

I mean we have to know where the majority of the IRGC's weapons and soldiers are, right? Regardless of whether we should have started this or not we might as well finish it now. To me, pulling out after they just annointed another extremist ruler who just lost his entire family seems like the stupidest thing we could do. Iran will continue to be a pain in the entire world's ass until the theocracy is decimated.

 

[Zoo_View]

I mean we have to know where the majority of the IRGC's weapons and soldiers are, right? Regardless of whether we should have started this or not we might as well finish it now. To me, pulling out after they just annointed another extremist ruler who just lost his entire family seems like the stupidest thing we could do. Iran will continue to be a pain in the entire world's ass until the theocracy is decimated.

WTF?

Seriously?

Iran has 92-95 MILLION people.

How many troops (ground troops, boots on the ground, infantry, combat) do you propose putting into Iran to both topple the regime AND rebuild Iran into a Japanese or German-type post WW2 republic?

 

[LosPollosHermanos]

WTF?

Seriously?

Iran has 92-95 MILLION people.

How many troops (ground troops, boots on the ground, infantry, combat) do you propose putting into Iran to both topple the regime AND rebuild Iran into a Japanese or German-type post WW2 republic?

The majority of those 95 million people hate their current government and intense fear of the IRGC is the only thing that has prevented a revolution from already happening. And fortunately the people of Iran are smart enough to govern themselves if they can overcome the theocracy.

 

[pspsps]

The people of Iraq hated Saddam.

 

[Ddseddse]

I had two Pintos, a ‘71 hatchback and a ‘74 station wagon with the fake wood paneling.

The station wagon with the paneling was my first car. $250 cash money.

 

[EyeballKid]

The majority of those 95 million people hate their current government and intense fear of the IRGC is the only thing that has prevented a revolution from already happening. And fortunately the people of Iran are smart enough to govern themselves if they can overcome the theocracy.

Where do you get that “the majority of the 95 million people hate their current government”?

And even if true, what’s the breakdown of people who favor a democratically elected administration?

And even if it can be shown that the breakdown favors a democratically elected administration, who’s to say that admin would be any less hostile to the US?

And given that—at a minimum—tens of millions of people support the current regime, which obviously controls the country and its military and nuclear capabilities along with everything else in the country…what makes you think that any of this would magically end in a successful and stable regime change?

Seems like a fool’s errand to me.

 

[Wheels81]

Would this be circa 1981?

It was in 1975. I graduated from UNC in 1981.

 

[farce©]

I learned to drive with a Gremlin.

I was a big fan of the Pacer

 

[HandsonFire]

Where do you get that “the majority of the 95 million people hate their current government”?

And even if true, what’s the breakdown of people who favor a democratically elected administration?

And even if it can be shown that the breakdown favors a democratically elected administration, who’s to say that admin would be any less hostile to the US?

And given that—at a minimum—tens of millions of people support the current regime, which obviously controls the country and its military and nuclear capabilities along with everything else in the country…what makes you think that any of this would magically end in a successful and stable regime change?

Seems like a fool’s errand to me.

The current administration should have asked all of these questions before embarking on this fiasco. But that would require a modicum of competency…
So now the great cheetah’s ego must be weighed against any solution. What makes Trump feel warm and fuzzy? Ground invasion? Bombing all of the girls schools in Iran (preferably occupied. This is a great strategy, he is killing generations of terrorists before they are even born. Big brain stuff. /s) some other insane thing? Any chance we can convince him we won and we can just stop tonight.

 

[Zoo_View]

The majority of those 95 million people hate their current government and intense fear of the IRGC is the only thing that has prevented a revolution from already happening. And fortunately the people of Iran are smart enough to govern themselves if they can overcome the theocracy.

How many boots do we put on the ground to topple the current regime and how many to nation-build after toppling the Islamic Republic?

Please answer that question.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

Autonomous underwater vehicles … from 2001-2003-ish?

The majority of those 95 million people hate their current government and intense fear of the IRGC is the only thing that has prevented a revolution from already happening. And fortunately the people of Iran are smart enough to govern themselves if they can overcome the theocracy.

I’m not sure you’re arguing for invasion and occupation, but are you?

 

[dcphx]

The majority of those 95 million people hate their current government and intense fear of the IRGC is the only thing that has prevented a revolution from already happening. And fortunately the people of Iran are smart enough to govern themselves if they can overcome the theocracy.

If you are required to watch Duke v NCSt who do you prefer win?

 

[LosPollosHermanos]

Where do you get that “the majority of the 95 million people hate their current government”?

And even if true, what’s the breakdown of people who favor a democratically elected administration?

And even if it can be shown that the breakdown favors a democratically elected administration, who’s to say that admin would be any less hostile to the US?

And given that—at a minimum—tens of millions of people support the current regime, which obviously controls the country and its military and nuclear capabilities along with everything else in the country…what makes you think that any of this would magically end in a successful and stable regime change?

Seems like a fool’s errand to me.

I believe it's pretty much common knowledge that Iranians generally despise the current regime but here is a cut and paste from a quick google search: "According to Gamaan, whose surveys are the most reliable, around 80% of Iranians are against the Islamic Republic. 15% support it and 5% are unsure." Revolutions have started multiple times and been quashed by the IRGC. The country wants a change. It is not just the U.S. coming in and forcing it on them.

I have no idea whether the people as a whole want a democracy, but the most important thing is to get rid of the brutal theocracy that kills people at the drop of a hat for any dissent whatsoever and is completely adverse to U.S. interests on literally everything. There is no doubt we could strongarm a leader into place that is not an active supporter of terror and is friendly to the U.S. The Shah was a puppet of the U.S. and our biggest ally in the Middle East. But the economy got so bad and he was well known to be a pawn of the U.S. so they wanted a change. Be careful what you wish for huh.

About a month ago or so, this board was highly critical of the lack of military action when protestors were getting killed. It was like a revolution was imminent if Trump would just do what he said and jump in with help for the protestors. Now, it's a "fool's errand" to try and topple the regime. What exactly changed between now and then?

 

[HandsonFire]

I believe it's pretty much common knowledge that Iranians generally despise the current regime but here is a cut and paste from a quick google search: "According to Gamaan, whose surveys are the most reliable, around 80% of Iranians are against the Islamic Republic. 15% support it and 5% are unsure." Revolutions have started multiple times and been quashed by the IRGC. The country wants a change. It is not just the U.S. coming in and forcing it on them.

I have no idea whether the people as a whole want a democracy, but the most important thing is to get rid of the brutal theocracy that kills people at the drop of a hat for any dissent whatsoever and is completely adverse to U.S. interests on literally everything. There is no doubt we could strongarm a leader into place that is not an active supporter of terror and is friendly to the U.S. The Shah was a puppet of the U.S. and our biggest ally in the Middle East. But the economy got so bad and he was well known to be a pawn of the U.S. so they wanted a change. Be careful what you wish for huh.

About a month ago or so, this board was highly critical of the lack of military action when protestors were getting killed. It was like a revolution was imminent if Trump would just do what he said and jump in with help for the protestors. Now, it's a "fool's errand" to try and topple the regime. What exactly changed between now and then?

I think a competent administration would have some presence on the ground working with the resistance, formulating a plan for regime change, gauging whether it’s feasible, is there someone we would like or someone that the people of Iran would get behind (best solution) and how do we make all this come together with limited military action (no large scale invasion etc).
I don’t think this administration thought any further than we can drop some bombs take out the leadership and the people will do the rest. Total incompetence. Jackasses. Morons, idiots is what we got.

 

[EyeballKid]

I believe it's pretty much common knowledge that Iranians generally despise the current regime but here is a cut and paste from a quick google search: "According to Gamaan, whose surveys are the most reliable, around 80% of Iranians are against the Islamic Republic. 15% support it and 5% are unsure." Revolutions have started multiple times and been quashed by the IRGC. The country wants a change. It is not just the U.S. coming in and forcing it on them.

I have no idea whether the people as a whole want a democracy, but the most important thing is to get rid of the brutal theocracy that kills people at the drop of a hat for any dissent whatsoever and is completely adverse to U.S. interests on literally everything. There is no doubt we could strongarm a leader into place that is not an active supporter of terror and is friendly to the U.S. The Shah was a puppet of the U.S. and our biggest ally in the Middle East. But the economy got so bad and he was well known to be a pawn of the U.S. so they wanted a change. Be careful what you wish for huh.

About a month ago or so, this board was highly critical of the lack of military action when protestors were getting killed. It was like a revolution was imminent if Trump would just do what he said and jump in with help for the protestors. Now, it's a "fool's errand" to try and topple the regime. What exactly changed between now and then?

Wait, wut?

I don’t recall “this board” being “highly critical” that Trump didn’t put boots on the ground and start a new war. Can you link to that?

Trump’s admin obviously thought this would be an easy task. They were lured into it by Bibi’s nonsense about an imminent attack, and have tried to pass that off to the US public as part of the rationale for this BS.

Any competent admin wouldn’t have blundered their way into this bullshit “war.”

 

[LosPollosHermanos]

Autonomous underwater vehicles … from 2001-2003-ish?

I’m not sure you’re arguing for invasion and occupation, but are you?

I would like to put the people of Iran in a position that toppling the current regime is a legitimate possibilty. Where they can see some progress from their next attempt at revolution that could snowball and they don't all get killed immediately and give up. Given that approximately 80% of the country hates the regime I believe that the Artesh (which is triple the size of the IRGC) would have a lot of defectors who would fight for the revolution if the IRGC was substantially weakened. And I think in the long term the whole world would be better if Iran and the U.S. were allies, which has been the case in most of our lifetimes.

 

[Zoo_View]

I believe it's pretty much common knowledge that Iranians generally despise the current regime but here is a cut and paste from a quick google search: "According to Gamaan, whose surveys are the most reliable, around 80% of Iranians are against the Islamic Republic. 15% support it and 5% are unsure." Revolutions have started multiple times and been quashed by the IRGC. The country wants a change. It is not just the U.S. coming in and forcing it on them.

I have no idea whether the people as a whole want a democracy, but the most important thing is to get rid of the brutal theocracy that kills people at the drop of a hat for any dissent whatsoever and is completely adverse to U.S. interests on literally everything. There is no doubt we could strongarm a leader into place that is not an active supporter of terror and is friendly to the U.S. The Shah was a puppet of the U.S. and our biggest ally in the Middle East. But the economy got so bad and he was well known to be a pawn of the U.S. so they wanted a change. Be careful what you wish for huh.

About a month ago or so, this board was highly critical of the lack of military action when protestors were getting killed. It was like a revolution was imminent if Trump would just do what he said and jump in with help for the protestors. Now, it's a "fool's errand" to try and topple the regime. What exactly changed between now and then?

Your memory is poor.

This board was critical of Trump telling Iranians and Iranian protesters that we had their back and they weren’t on their own - when we didn’t have their back AND they were ON THEIR OWN.

 

[LosPollosHermanos]

I think a competent administration would have some presence on the ground working with the resistance, formulating a plan for regime change, gauging whether it’s feasible, is there someone we would like or someone that the people of Iran would get behind (best solution) and how do we make all this come together with limited military action (no large scale invasion etc).
I don’t think this administration thought any further than we can drop some bombs take out the leadership and the people will do the rest. Total incompetence. Jackasses. Morons, idiots is what we got.

I agree 100%. Just wish now that it's started they would find a way to finish, if they were smart enough.

 

[Zoo_View]

I would like to put the people of Iran in a position that toppling the current regime is a legitimate possibilty. Where they can see some progress from their next attempt at revolution that could snowball and they don't all get killed immediately and give up. Given that approximately 80% of the country hates the regime I believe that the Artesh (which is triple the size of the IRGC) would have a lot of defectors who would fight for the revolution if the IRGC was substantially weakened. And I think in the long term the whole world would be better if Iran and the U.S. were allies, which has been the case in most of our lifetimes.

I’m 64.

The US and Iranians have never been allies in my lifetime.

The Shah was a disliked puppet.

 

[Zoo_View]

I would like to put the people of Iran in a position that toppling the current regime is a legitimate possibilty. Where they can see some progress from their next attempt at revolution that could snowball and they don't all get killed immediately and give up. Given that approximately 80% of the country hates the regime I believe that the Artesh (which is triple the size of the IRGC) would have a lot of defectors who would fight for the revolution if the IRGC was substantially weakened. And I think in the long term the whole world would be better if Iran and the U.S. were allies, which has been the case in most of our lifetimes.

How many American boots on the ground to topple the Iranian regime and build a republic in Iran that respects and protects human rights?