IRAN WAR Catch-All

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EyeballKid said:
I think we’re at or near our weakest point since WW2, at the very least.

We’ve alienated all our allies. We have an ignorant ass as commander in chief, and a drunken ignorant ass as leader of our military. We have severely depleted our military weapons stock over the past 8 weeks of an unnecessary and inept campaign in Iran. We have shown ourselves to be woefully behind in terms of modern drone warfare.

On top of all that, our current presidential admin has knee-capped our scientific institutions and research capabilities. We’re now the cavemen who want to “roll coal” and hate windmills, who reject medical and scientific expertise, who have ceded all our alliances with countries who can assist us with various rare earth minerals, etc.

We‘ve also hobbled our higher ed system (and k-12 education too). And we’ve hollowed out our middle class and are in the early stages of a bitter class warfare struggle.

We’ve also hollowed out our governmental institutions—Congress is a joke, the SC has no regard for the rule of law or legal precedent, and the president has openly broken the law many times over, without repercussion. We are watching as the guardrails that safeguard our democracy fail.

So yeah, from the standpoint of our enemies, we’re ripe for the picking.
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How do you think Russia and/or China would be able to cross an ocean to invade us? Is that feasible in your mind?
 
ChileG said:
China and Russia are going to invade us once Trump has exhausted all of our missiles.
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You are probably saying this tongue in cheek but - no chance of that. "Invading" the US is functionally impossible for China and completely impossible for Russia. Even if we had zero missiles it would take millions of ground troops with air and naval support to get across a whole ocean to even come close to contemplating an "invasion." And imagine trying to occupy the US. Unless they nuke us, in which case why bother invading?

Real concern is that China has no fear in taking Taiwan and Russia keeps going after eastern Europe. Luckily the EU is taking steps to address the latter issues with the US becoming an unenthusiastic alliance member.
 
EyeballKid said:
I’ve thought that for some time. But now I’m not so sure.

Why would they waste time invading an enemy who’s busy imploding and self-destructing, destroying all their alliances and knee-capping themselves at every turn?

Particularly if you’re China—seems more prudent to just stay the course, keep building on the momentum you’ve gotten as a leader in the tech, clean energy, and research sectors, take advantage of the new opportunities to build alliances throughout Africa and the Middle East—and watch the US recede into the background.
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I see China nudging Trump along the path it has chosen……including a coup attempt in late 2028/early 2029.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
How do you think Russia and/or China would be able to cross an ocean to invade us? Is that feasible in your mind?
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In an era of small, TINY drones, AI, and Internet attacks coupled with the inept Trump Administration, I doubt China needs to cross the Pacific Ocean to attack the US.
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
How do you think Russia and/or China would be able to cross an ocean to invade us? Is that feasible in your mind?
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I don’t think they need to concern themselves with physically invading the US border, at least not for some time.

If they do, it won’t begin by way of conventional warfare with boots on the ground. It’ll be as a result of technological/asymmetrical tactics.

Again, Hegseth and Trump have both shown that they are interested in cultivating the look of a tough Viking or WW1 regiment—burly white dudes with barbed wire and Bible verse tattoos. No women, no nerds. They want Trojan warriors.

They clearly do not understand that the rules of engagement have changed.
 
EyeballKid said:
I don’t think they need to concern themselves with physically invading the US border, at least not for some time.

If they do, it won’t begin by way of conventional warfare with boots on the ground. It’ll be as a result of technological/asymmetrical tactics.

Again, Hegseth and Trump have both shown that they are interested in cultivating the look of a tough Viking or WW1 regiment—burly white dudes with barbed wire and Bible verse tattoos. No women, no nerds.

They clearly do not understand that the rules of engagement have changed.
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Putin since 2014 has been engaged in an asymmetric cyberwar and political subversion (thumb on the scale in Brexit, 2016 US election) against the West. It turned hot against Ukraine...which was an error in judgment - possibly a miscalculation made more likely by isolation during COVID (see Putin and his extra long table).
 
EyeballKid said:
I don’t think they need to concern themselves with physically invading the US border, at least not for some time.

If they do, it won’t begin by way of conventional warfare with boots on the ground. It’ll be as a result of technological/asymmetrical tactics.

Again, Hegseth and Trump have both shown that they are interested in cultivating the look of a tough Viking or WW1 regiment—burly white dudes with barbed wire and Bible verse tattoos. No women, no nerds. They want Trojan warriors.

They clearly do not understand that the rules of engagement have changed.
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So just to be clear, you think they could invade but don't need to?
 
Duke Mu said:
If only someone could have actually foreseen this obvious move by Iran (or picked up a history book or even a map of Iran) in the clown car Trump 2.0 administration! Such an embarrassment. Bibi and Putin own this abhorent administration.
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Who in the Trump Administration can read a map?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
So just to be clear, you think they could invade but don't need to?
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To be clear, I don’t see much difference between destroying our country via traditional military methods (physically “invading” via warships and boots on the ground) vs modern methods (technologically destroying your enemy without the need for boots on the ground).

Either way leads to one country/culture taking the reins of worldwide prominence from another.

And to clarify even further, the latter may eventually lead to the former. That is, if one country can first destroy or disable an enemy without deploying tons of military personnel and weaponry, that country could then overrun their enemy as a second and final step.
 
EyeballKid said:
To be clear, I don’t see much difference between destroying our country via traditional military methods (physically “invading” via warships and boots on the ground) vs modern methods (technologically destroying your enemy without the need for boots on the ground).

Either way leads to one country/culture taking the reins of worldwide prominence from another.

And to clarify even further, the latter may eventually lead to the former. That is, if one country can first destroy or disable an enemy without deploying tons of military personnel and weaponry, that country could then overrun their enemy as a second and final step.
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I've argued for years that OBL was eventually killed but arguably still won the WoT because of where we are now: $6T and growing down the drain, severely damaged economy, and a fractured nation.
 
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