Is this why Dem’s Approval Rating Polls are so bad?

[Centerpiece]

Beshear at the top of the ticket and Whitmer to shore up MI, WI, PA. Seems like Dems best bet.

Can not have it flipped. If Whitmer is on the ticket it has to be second fiddle. Even if she’s the best man for the job, if the the Dems run another woman at the top of the ticket they’re toast - again - and more ignorant and short-sighted than I’ve thought all along.
Andy for prez.

 

[BillOfRights]

 

[Mulberry Heel]

This has been discussed many times on this board - that the current unpopularity of Democrats has less to do with general public opposition to Democratic policies (most of which poll very well) but rather with the frustration and anger of many Democrats towards the party leadership and how they're dealing with Trump. I'm not talking about the merits of their frustration and whether it is justified, only that it clearly exists as most polls show. And the good news for Democrats is that likely won't keep these people from turning out in large numbers next year to cast an anti-Trump, anti-GOP vote. Whatever frustrations they may have with their own party, it is dwarfed by their loathing and anger at Dear Leader and his party.

 

[lawtig02]

This has been discussed many times on this board - that the current unpopularity of Democrats has less to do with general public opposition to Democratic policies (most of which poll very well) but rather with the frustration and anger of many Democrats towards the party leadership and how they're dealing with Trump. I'm not talking about the merits of their frustration and whether it is justified, only that it clearly exists as most polls show. And the good news for Democrats is that likely won't keep these people from turning out in large numbers next year to cast an anti-Trump, anti-GOP vote. Whatever frustrations they may have with their own party, it is dwarfed by their loathing and anger at Dear Leader and his party.

I also suspect it’s pretty normal for members of the party that got its ass handed to it in the last presidential election to be unhappy with the party for a while. Especially when the ass-handing was done by the most incompetent person ever to run for elected office in this country.

 

[altmin]

This has been discussed many times on this board - that the current unpopularity of Democrats has less to do with general public opposition to Democratic policies (most of which poll very well) but rather with the frustration and anger of many Democrats towards the party leadership and how they're dealing with Trump. I'm not talking about the merits of their frustration and whether it is justified, only that it clearly exists as most polls show. And the good news for Democrats is that likely won't keep these people from turning out in large numbers next year to cast an anti-Trump, anti-GOP vote. Whatever frustrations they may have with their own party, it is dwarfed by their loathing and anger at Dear Leader and his party.

It may not keep people for voting from Dems, but on the other side of the coin it most likely will ensure they vote the dems out the next cycle though. Enthusiasm will put them out to the polls to vote agaisnt the Trump stuff, but that enthusiasm won't carry over and we will be back in the same mess again.

 

[CFordUNC]

“The party has a near-historically low favorability rating. This is mostly due to disaffection on the left, where voters still say they'll vote Democratic for the midterms”

 

[Mulberry Heel]

It may not keep people for voting from Dems, but on the other side of the coin it most likely will ensure they vote the dems out the next cycle though. Enthusiasm will put them out to the polls to vote agaisnt the Trump stuff, but that enthusiasm won't carry over and we will be back in the same mess again.

Agreed, but right now I'm thinking short-term for 2026 as the survival of our democracy and constitutional government is likely at stake. No doubt Democrats have loads of problems that need fixing, but with Dear Leader in charge it's trying to fix one problem at a time.

 

[korgguy1971]

I think the Democratic party needs to go ahead and die already (figuratively of course) and start over as something else. Don't worry about the fringe lefties that you're going to piss off by coming back to the center.

And when this happens, absolutely no one currently in Democratic party leadership needs to be included or consulted. Stop shooting yourselves in the dick and get out of your own way.

Now that said, even with all their problems, and on their worst day, they are still leaps and bounds better than anything to do with MAGA or Trump or whatever passes as the Republican party these days. Stop being the "we are not Trump" party and give people something else to believe in.

 

[McAdooSmackinYou]

Good luck calling people “retards” and getting them on your side.

 

[korgguy1971]

Good luck calling people “retards” and getting them on your side.

Fair enough. Edited.

I'm really frustrated and pissed off right now and it was a poor choice of words.

 

[SmilingJack]

Couldn’t read it all but for the love of Gods whoever what about admitting some folks are stupid and also kinda “culty” which is apparently a new word!?! Get with it Webster.
Why are we still talking about this stuff?
Of course the cult is comprised but have no clue and will likely be in denial about it until they die.
Had family members in PTL with Jim & Tammy who have no recollection of kinda like the flash on men in black.

 

[Centerpiece]

I’ll admit that a lot of folks are stupid. Most of America is comprised of stupid people. I can prove it. I’ll also admit these stupid people are “culty” (Note: not kind of culty, but dipshit crazy, full on culty).
Talk about it we must, because sweeping it under the rug is not an option.

 

[akillesheel]

I think the Democratic party needs to go ahead and die already (figuratively of course) and start over as something else. Don't worry about the fringe lefties that you're going to piss off by coming back to the center.

And when this happens, absolutely no one currently in Democratic party leadership needs to be included or consulted. Stop shooting yourselves in the dick and get out of your own way.

Now that said, even with all their problems, and on their worst day, they are still leaps and bounds better than anything to do with MAGA or Trump or whatever passes as the Republican party these days. Stop being the "we are not Trump" party and give people something else to believe in.

simply cannot fathom the brain it takes to look at the past year of Dem politics and say the party has to be replaced with something more centrist. the centrists in the party are who have it in this mess in the first place. centrism is a nothing politics and voters are recognizing it.

 

[lawtig02]

simply cannot fathom the brain it takes to look at the past year of Dem politics and say the party has to be replaced with something more centrist. the centrists in the party are who have it in this mess in the first place. centrism is a nothing politics and voters are recognizing it.

I would much prefer something fairly left, especially to fix what MAGA is destroying, but seeing as how US politics usually lags about 8-10 years behind European politics, can you identify a leftist movement that has succeeded over a substantial period of time in non-Scandinavian Europe? Seems to me a lurch to the left is just a recipe for a pendulum that swings wildly back and forth from one election to the next.

 

[StrangePackage]

simply cannot fathom the brain it takes to look at the past year of Dem politics and say the party has to be replaced with something more centrist. the centrists in the party are who have it in this mess in the first place. centrism is a nothing politics and voters are recognizing it.

Exactly. The status quo was not working. Pretty much all of the country felt that. MAGA is a tacit acknowledgment of that - but the changes they offer are shitty and will hurt many many more than they help.

Democrats can't expect to win by offering more of the same - they are extolling institutions that largely failed the people. They need some populism, and to stop fucking cowering about what right wing media will make of it - they'll call everything extremist socialism, even if it's a tepid compromise, so you might as well do the right goddamn thing anyways. Minnesota was the model - school lunches, legal weed, easy voting- but for some reason the centrists put Walz on the ticket and refused to let him cook.

 

[lawtig02]

Exactly. The status quo was not working. Pretty much all of the country felt that. MAGA is a tacit acknowledgment of that - but the changes they offer are shitty and will hurt many many more than they help.

Democrats can't expect to win by offering more of the same - they are extolling institutions that largely failed the people. They need some populism, and to stop fucking cowering about what right wing media will make of it - they'll call everything extremist socialism, even if it's a tepid compromise, so you might as well do the right goddamn thing anyways. Minnesota was the model - school lunches, legal weed, easy voting- but for some reason the centrists put Walz on the ticket and refused to let him cook.

Absolutely. But I don’t think what Minnesota was doing was particularly leftist, even compared to whatever counted for the national Democratic platform. They just got it done.

 

[Molotov Mocktail]

they'll call everything extremist socialism

Except for the government taking stakes in American companies and threatening companies if they don’t operate in a way the president wants.

 

[lawtig02]

The greatest lesson Dems need to learn from the last few months is that we must get shit done, no matter what it requires or what stands in our way. That’s what Trump and his minions have done. They don’t care about laws. They don’t care about polls. They don’t care about norms. They just do it anyway. Whenever and wherever Dems have power, we need to be doing the same thing.

I don’t care much who the candidate is in 2028. I just want his or her campaign slogan to be, “I’ll Get Shit Done for You.”

 

[SnoopRob]

The greatest lesson Dems need to learn from the last few months is that we must get shit done, no matter what it requires or what stands in our way. That’s what Trump and his minions have done. They don’t care about laws. They don’t care about polls. They don’t care about norms. They just do it anyway. Whenever and wherever Dems have power, we need to be doing the same thing.

I don’t care much who the candidate is in 2028. I just want his or her campaign slogan to be, “I’ll Get Shit Done for You.”

The problem with this view is that it’s far, far tougher to build things than to destroy things. Pubs don’t build anything, they merely destroy things. Dems have a much greater challenge in what they’re trying to accomplish and will naturally be less successful in these attempts.

 

[lawtig02]

The problem with this view is that it’s far, far tougher to build things than to destroy things. Pubs don’t build anything, they merely destroy things. Dems have a much greater challenge in what they’re trying to accomplish and will naturally be less successful in these attempts.

No doubt. We’ll almost need a Marshall Plan approach if we still have a nation in 3.5 years. Whatever it takes to rebuild a functional nation, atop the devastation of MAGA’s blitzkrieg on America.