Israel assaults Iran, pounds Lebanon, Hezbollah

[Paine]

Former CIA chief Leon Panetta accuses Israel of "terrorism" over Hezbollah pager attack

Israel is believed to have sabotaged Hezbollah's communication devices, rigging them with explosives

www.salon.com

Beatnik hippie Leon Panetta calls Israel’s pager attack terrorism.

 

[Batt Boy]

A large reason why they don't occupy Lebanon is because of Hezbollah. Without them, Israel would likely be occupying parts of Lebanon once again. Maybe if Israel would stop invading and occupying land, there wouldn't be so many groups created to fight against it.

After the Nakba, the Palestinians flowed into Lebanon. They fought everyone and launched numerous attackes on Israel and precipitated the Lebanese Civil War. In '82, the IDF invaded and ran the PLO off to North Africa. The Iranians responded by sending thousands of "advisors" into the Bekaa and created Hezbollah. The IDF fulled back and left the SLA in charge, eventually abandoning them. It's not as easy as who invaded who. Hezbollah is a deterrence force of the Mullah's and even with zero IDF in Lebanon, their posture is ready to wipe Israel out.

 

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Israel destroying infrastructure from buildings to (checks notes) decorative roundabouts in the West Bank to supposedly root out terrorists.

Israeli Bulldozers Flatten Mile After Mile in the West Bank

Videos from Tulkarm and Jenin show bulldozers destroying infrastructure and businesses, as well as soldiers impeding local emergency responders.

www.nytimes.com

Over two weeks, Palestinians watched as Israeli military bulldozers tore up mile after mile of their streets and alleys, sewage seeping into the dusty ruts left behind.

The people of Tulkarm and Jenin, the two West Bank towns that were the focus of Israel’s latest military raids, said they had never before experienced such a scale of destruction.

Residents pointed to one video that shows an Israeli armored bulldozer flattening a decorative roundabout and nearby vegetation.


Visual evidence analyzed by The New York Times supports accounts from residents about the damage from Israel’s latest raids. Videos filmed in Tulkarm and Jenin show bulldozers destroying infrastructure and businesses, and soldiers impeding local emergency responders.

“We watched their bulldozers tear up streets, demolish businesses, pharmacies, schools. They even bulldozed the town soccer field, and a tree in the middle of a road,” said Kamal Abu al-Rub, the governor of Jenin, a governorate in the northern West Bank. “What was the point of all of this?”

In late August, the Israeli military launched one of its most extensive and deadliest raids in the West Bank in years, an escalation from the nearly nightly raids that have become the norm since the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks.

Israel has described the operations as counterterrorism efforts, aimed at rooting out Hamas and other armed militants who have increased their attacks against Israelis. The military said it had found stockpiles of weapons in its recent operations in the northern West Bank, killed 23 militants and arrested 45. One Israeli soldier was killed in Jenin, it said.

 

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MSNBC reporting Israeli ground forces preparing to invade Lebanon

 

[RaiGuy]

MSNBC reporting Israeli ground forces preparing to invade Lebanon

Gaza part 2.

They've already almost matched the number of Lebanese civilian deaths that occurred in the whole 2006 war.

 

[gregh1]

Gaza part 2.

They've already almost matched the number of Lebanese civilian deaths that occurred in the whole 2006 war.

It feels like Lebanon would be screaming at Hezbollah. Hamas:Gaza are different from Hezbollah:Lebanon. If they aren't then it feels like a full-on war.

 

[Batt Boy]

 

[RaiGuy]

It feels like Lebanon would be screaming at Hezbollah. Hamas:Gaza are different from Hezbollah:Lebanon. If they aren't then it feels like a full-on war.

Even if Hezbollah wasn't there, Israel would then fabricate a reason to enter into Lebanon.

 

[Batt Boy]

Even if Hezbollah wasn't there, Israel would then fabricate a reason to enter into Lebanon.

I don't believe this. I believe if rockets and ballistic missiles were not being fired from Lebanon, the IDF wouldn't be there. Israel wants a prosperous Lebanon they can trade with.

 

[superrific]

I don't believe this. I believe if rockets and ballistic missiles were not being fired from Lebanon, the IDF wouldn't be there. Israel wants a prosperous Lebanon they can trade with.

If you say so. Their actions are not consistent with your thesis, but you do you.

 

[superrific]

After the Nakba, the Palestinians flowed into Lebanon. They fought everyone and launched numerous attackes on Israel and precipitated the Lebanese Civil War. In '82, the IDF invaded and ran the PLO off to North Africa.

This is a fun history. Skip over 30 years of history, blame everything on refugees, and then lie about Israel's involvement in Lebanon. They didn't invade in 1982. They invaded in 1978. They invaded again in 1982. And 2006. And apparently 2024. For some reason, they never seem to accomplish their goals, but surely this time will be different.

 

[2ManyBlueCups]

Even if Hezbollah wasn't there, Israel would then fabricate a reason to enter into Lebanon.

Why hasn’t Israel invaded Egypt? Almost like not launching missiles at Israel prevents you from being invaded.

 

[Batt Boy]

The history of Israeli Lebanese relations seems to indicate they don't want to be in Lebanon. Lebanon didn't take part in the Yom Kippur war, didn't take part in the Six Day war, and the IDF only invaded after the Palestinians came to Lebanon and precipitated the Civil War. I understand you don't trust the Israelis but I don't believe they want to be in Lebanon at all. They need to be to remove the threat from Hezbollah who has been sending rockets almost daily into Israel the past 8 months.

 

[finesse]

Why hasn’t Israel invaded Egypt? Almost like not launching missiles at Israel prevents you from being invaded.

Because last I heard the US was giving both huge amounts of foreign aid not to. Honest politicians stay bought.

 

[superrific]

Why hasn’t Israel invaded Egypt? Almost like not launching missiles at Israel prevents you from being invaded.

Israel wouldn't be in Lebanon if Lebanon had Egypt's air force.

 

[superrific]

The history of Israeli Lebanese relations seems to indicate they don't want to be in Lebanon.

No, they do not. They are fine periodically destroying it, though.

 

[Batt Boy]

Since Oct'23, Hezbollah has launched 8000 projectiles into Israel.

The Third Lebanon War between Israel and Hezbollah has begun. What’s next?

Israel’s massive aerial bombardment campaign on Monday targeting Hezbollah stockpiles, depots, and launchers in southern Lebanon could be a prelude to a ground invasion.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

 

[Geisterfahrer]

If you say so. Their actions are not consistent with your thesis, but you do you.

Their actions have always been about responding to Hezbollah/iran. If there was no Hezbollah Israel would have no interest in fighting in Lebanon. What possible motivation would they have?

 

[superrific]

Their actions have always been about responding to Hezbollah/iran. If there was no Hezbollah Israel would have no interest in fighting in Lebanon. What possible motivation would they have?

Israel was fighting in Lebanon before there was a Hezbollah. There was an invasion in 78. The invasion in 82 was especially egregious because it was basically a Gulf of Tonkin episode.

1982 Lebanon War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This wiki page, incidentally, contains an interesting sentence. It seems not terribly neutral, which is odd for wikipedia, especially for this particular conflict. Anyway, it's sourced to a book by Israeli historian Benny Morris, so it's probably not complete BS. Anyway, I'm not going to opine about what happened in that conflict, but I think it's fair to say that Israel's incursions into Lebanon were neither entirely (or even primarily) in self-defense, nor were they particularly just.

 

[2ManyBlueCups]

Israel was fighting in Lebanon before there was a Hezbollah. There was an invasion in 78. The invasion in 82 was especially egregious because it was basically a Gulf of Tonkin episode.

1982 Lebanon War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This wiki page, incidentally, contains an interesting sentence. It seems not terribly neutral, which is odd for wikipedia, especially for this particular conflict. Anyway, it's sourced to a book by Israeli historian Benny Morris, so it's probably not complete BS. Anyway, I'm not going to opine about what happened in that conflict, but I think it's fair to say that Israel's incursions into Lebanon were neither entirely (or even primarily) in self-defense, nor were they particularly just.

Israel didn’t invade Lebanon in 1978 for fun. The invasion was a direct response to a bus massacre that killed 38 Israeli civilians, 13 of them children. The terrorists that committed the attack were based in southern Lebanon along with several thousand other militants.