Israel reaches cease fire with Hezbollah, fighting shifts to Syria

  • Thread starter Thread starter uncmba
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies: 684
  • Views: 20K
  • Politics 
superrific said:
Israel was fighting in Lebanon before there was a Hezbollah. There was an invasion in 78. The invasion in 82 was especially egregious because it was basically a Gulf of Tonkin episode.

en.wikipedia.org

1982 Lebanon War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

This wiki page, incidentally, contains an interesting sentence. It seems not terribly neutral, which is odd for wikipedia, especially for this particular conflict. Anyway, it's sourced to a book by Israeli historian Benny Morris, so it's probably not complete BS. Anyway, I'm not going to opine about what happened in that conflict, but I think it's fair to say that Israel's incursions into Lebanon were neither entirely (or even primarily) in self-defense, nor were they particularly just.
Click to expand...
Just or not they were fighting the PLO, sworn enemies from both sides.

Absent the threat of Hezbollah there’s no current threat from Lebanon.
 
I’d argue that Israel is as responsible as anyone for how broken Lebanon is today.

Hezbollah isn’t innocent; Israel helped break Lebanon before Hezbollah existed.
 
Zoo_View said:
I’d argue that Israel is as responsible as anyone for how broken Lebanon is today.

Hezbollah isn’t innocent; Israel helped break Lebanon before Hezbollah existed.
Click to expand...
Israel bears much blame. Talk to some Lebanese. They place heavy blame on a couple other parties as well.
 
Hezbollah has more rockets than tubes. They need a cease fire to reload, bringing in ammo from "nature reserves". Coordination has been hurt by the absolute decapitation of leadership/communications last week. It would be in the IDF's interest not to get stuck in the Lebanon mud like before and instead continue to use stand off assets. "Operation Peace for Galilee" had already failed.
 
Breaking on MSNBC right now: timed to happen right after Netanyahu finished speaking at the UN, Israel bombed the supposed Hezbollah command center in Beirut.
 
altmin said:
Breaking on MSNBC right now: timed to happen right after Netanyahu finished speaking at the UN, Israel bombed the supposed Hezbollah command center in Beirut.
Click to expand...
Interesting they decided to hit it after it was cleared out last month

www.timesofisrael.com

Hezbollah reportedly clears out entire operation from Beirut headquarters

Lebanese media outlet says terror group moved people, computers and other equipment from Dahieh suburb to 'prepare for the worst' as it threatens to attack Israel
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
 
RaiGuy said:
Interesting they decided to hit it after it was cleared out last month

www.timesofisrael.com

Hezbollah reportedly clears out entire operation from Beirut headquarters

Lebanese media outlet says terror group moved people, computers and other equipment from Dahieh suburb to 'prepare for the worst' as it threatens to attack Israel
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
Click to expand...
Or they bombed what they claim is the new HQ?


Several big explosions rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut on Friday, CNN teams on the ground witnessed.

CNN has geolocated a video shared on social media which showed multiple large plumes of smoke in an area of the city’s southern suburbs known as Dahiyeh, in the aftermath of the strikes. It comes after CNN teams heard a series of very loud booms.

Dahiyeh is a densely populated area with a strong Hezbollah presence, and where many of the group’s leadership is based.

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari said in a brief video statement that the Israeli military had struck Hezbollah’s headquarters.

“Moments ago, the Israel Defense Forces carried out a precise strike on the central headquarters of the Hezbollah terror organization that served as the epicenter of Hezbollah’s terror,” Hagari said.

“Hezbollah’s terror headquarters was intentionally built under residential buildings in the heart of Beirut, as part of Hezbollah’s strategy of using human shields,” he added.
 
altmin said:
Or they bombed what they claim is the new HQ?


Several big explosions rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut on Friday, CNN teams on the ground witnessed.

CNN has geolocated a video shared on social media which showed multiple large plumes of smoke in an area of the city’s southern suburbs known as Dahiyeh, in the aftermath of the strikes. It comes after CNN teams heard a series of very loud booms.

Dahiyeh is a densely populated area with a strong Hezbollah presence, and where many of the group’s leadership is based.

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari said in a brief video statement that the Israeli military had struck Hezbollah’s headquarters.

“Moments ago, the Israel Defense Forces carried out a precise strike on the central headquarters of the Hezbollah terror organization that served as the epicenter of Hezbollah’s terror,” Hagari said.

“Hezbollah’s terror headquarters was intentionally built under residential buildings in the heart of Beirut, as part of Hezbollah’s strategy of using human shields,” he added.
Click to expand...
Or they decided to hit a residential area and claim that Hezbollah is there. It could be what they said, but you can't blame me for not believing a word that comes from their mouths.
 
RaiGuy said:
Or they decided to hit a residential area and claim that Hezbollah is there. It could be what they said, but you can't blame me for not believing a word that comes from their mouths.
Click to expand...
Oh, I don't believe them generally at face value either. Just passing on what was claimed.
 
Wash, rinse, repeat.
These folks have been fighting for 2,000 years and still haven't been able to make it work. The children and innocent bystanders are just collateral. Nobody has high ground nor righteousness when they both behave this way.
Hurt people hurt people but I think healed people can heal people and that's the world I want!
Rodney King said it best "Can't we all just get along?"
 
RaiGuy said:
Or they decided to hit a residential area and claim that Hezbollah is there. It could be what they said, but you can't blame me for not believing a word that comes from their mouths.
Click to expand...
It’s like if Trump told the truth for once. I’m not saying they’re telling the truth about this incident, but since they invaded Gaza, the IDF has told the truth about as often as the Orange Turd does.
 
SmilingJack said:
Wash, rinse, repeat.
These folks have been fighting for 2,000 years and still haven't been able to make it work. The children and innocent bystanders are just collateral. Nobody has high ground nor righteousness when they both behave this way.
Hurt people hurt people but I think healed people can heal people and that's the world I want!
Rodney King said it best "Can't we all just get along?"
Click to expand...
They've been fighting since 1947. There is no historical analog to the Jews and Palestinians fighting in Jesus's time.
 
Israel reporting that Nastallah has been killed. If so, Hezbollah’s entire leadership structure has been destroyed in a matter of about a week.
 
When and how do the civilians there and Gaza get any relief? Somebody should and I feel pretty NIMBY about it all.
 
finesse said:
When and how do the civilians there and Gaza get any relief? Somebody should and I feel pretty NIMBY about it all.
Click to expand...
I hesitate to type this because I don’t want to sound cold and callous about it, but…. I agree with your sentiments that the citizens in both those cases need both physical and mental relief. However, it should not be the job of the US to be the relief arm for an entire world, ESPECIALLY when the people are citizens of groups or countries that actively are against us and our way of life. Sadly, I don’t see any of the surrounding Muslim countries working to assist in any significant and meaningful way to support either of those groups, and it should be them first and foremost who help out.

I honestly hate that I feel that way, because I fully believe that those civilians want the same thing I do - to live a meaningful and peaceful life with those I love. We just can’t be all things to all people.
 
CLT Heel said:
ESPECIALLY when the people are citizens of groups or countries that actively are against us and our way of life.
Click to expand...
I don’t understand what this means. Palestinians are citizens of which country that is “actively…against us and our way of life?” I don’t disagree that the surrounding Muslim countries need to stand up, but this statement confuses me.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top