Israel reaches cease fire with Hezbollah, fighting shifts to Syria

[superrific]

Israel didn’t invade Lebanon in 1978 for fun. The invasion was a direct response to a bus massacre that killed 38 Israeli civilians, 13 of them children. The terrorists that committed the attack were based in southern Lebanon along with several thousand other militants.

Well, they were bombing Lebanon for a decade prior to that. So you could say that the bus massacre was a direct response to that.

It is so exhausting to argue with you people who credulously believe that Israel is the good guy in this conflict. There are no good guys in this conflict. This is the penitence that the human race is paying for the sin of the Holocaust. Unfortunately, sinner and victim are not the same.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

Israel was fighting in Lebanon before there was a Hezbollah. There was an invasion in 78. The invasion in 82 was especially egregious because it was basically a Gulf of Tonkin episode.

1982 Lebanon War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This wiki page, incidentally, contains an interesting sentence. It seems not terribly neutral, which is odd for wikipedia, especially for this particular conflict. Anyway, it's sourced to a book by Israeli historian Benny Morris, so it's probably not complete BS. Anyway, I'm not going to opine about what happened in that conflict, but I think it's fair to say that Israel's incursions into Lebanon were neither entirely (or even primarily) in self-defense, nor were they particularly just.

Just or not they were fighting the PLO, sworn enemies from both sides.

Absent the threat of Hezbollah there’s no current threat from Lebanon.

 

[Zoo_View]

I’d argue that Israel is as responsible as anyone for how broken Lebanon is today.

Hezbollah isn’t innocent; Israel helped break Lebanon before Hezbollah existed.

 

[Batt Boy]

I’d argue that Israel is as responsible as anyone for how broken Lebanon is today.

Hezbollah isn’t innocent; Israel helped break Lebanon before Hezbollah existed.

Israel bears much blame. Talk to some Lebanese. They place heavy blame on a couple other parties as well.

 

[nycfan]

 

[Batt Boy]

Hezbollah has more rockets than tubes. They need a cease fire to reload, bringing in ammo from "nature reserves". Coordination has been hurt by the absolute decapitation of leadership/communications last week. It would be in the IDF's interest not to get stuck in the Lebanon mud like before and instead continue to use stand off assets. "Operation Peace for Galilee" had already failed.

 

[altmin]

Breaking on MSNBC right now: timed to happen right after Netanyahu finished speaking at the UN, Israel bombed the supposed Hezbollah command center in Beirut.

 

[Batt Boy]

Breaking on MSNBC right now: timed to happen right after Netanyahu finished speaking at the UN, Israel bombed the supposed Hezbollah command center in Beirut.

It actually happened about 5 hours ago

 

[RaiGuy]

Breaking on MSNBC right now: timed to happen right after Netanyahu finished speaking at the UN, Israel bombed the supposed Hezbollah command center in Beirut.

Interesting they decided to hit it after it was cleared out last month

Hezbollah reportedly clears out entire operation from Beirut headquarters

Lebanese media outlet says terror group moved people, computers and other equipment from Dahieh suburb to 'prepare for the worst' as it threatens to attack Israel

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[altmin]

Interesting they decided to hit it after it was cleared out last month

Hezbollah reportedly clears out entire operation from Beirut headquarters

Lebanese media outlet says terror group moved people, computers and other equipment from Dahieh suburb to 'prepare for the worst' as it threatens to attack Israel

www.timesofisrael.com

Or they bombed what they claim is the new HQ?

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-lebanon-war-hezbollah-09-27-24/index.html

Several big explosions rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut on Friday, CNN teams on the ground witnessed.

CNN has geolocated a video shared on social media which showed multiple large plumes of smoke in an area of the city’s southern suburbs known as Dahiyeh, in the aftermath of the strikes. It comes after CNN teams heard a series of very loud booms.

Dahiyeh is a densely populated area with a strong Hezbollah presence, and where many of the group’s leadership is based.

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari said in a brief video statement that the Israeli military had struck Hezbollah’s headquarters.

“Moments ago, the Israel Defense Forces carried out a precise strike on the central headquarters of the Hezbollah terror organization that served as the epicenter of Hezbollah’s terror,” Hagari said.

“Hezbollah’s terror headquarters was intentionally built under residential buildings in the heart of Beirut, as part of Hezbollah’s strategy of using human shields,” he added.

 

[RaiGuy]

Or they bombed what they claim is the new HQ?

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-lebanon-war-hezbollah-09-27-24/index.html

Several big explosions rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut on Friday, CNN teams on the ground witnessed.

CNN has geolocated a video shared on social media which showed multiple large plumes of smoke in an area of the city’s southern suburbs known as Dahiyeh, in the aftermath of the strikes. It comes after CNN teams heard a series of very loud booms.

Dahiyeh is a densely populated area with a strong Hezbollah presence, and where many of the group’s leadership is based.

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari said in a brief video statement that the Israeli military had struck Hezbollah’s headquarters.

“Moments ago, the Israel Defense Forces carried out a precise strike on the central headquarters of the Hezbollah terror organization that served as the epicenter of Hezbollah’s terror,” Hagari said.

“Hezbollah’s terror headquarters was intentionally built under residential buildings in the heart of Beirut, as part of Hezbollah’s strategy of using human shields,” he added.

Or they decided to hit a residential area and claim that Hezbollah is there. It could be what they said, but you can't blame me for not believing a word that comes from their mouths.

 

[altmin]

Or they decided to hit a residential area and claim that Hezbollah is there. It could be what they said, but you can't blame me for not believing a word that comes from their mouths.

Oh, I don't believe them generally at face value either. Just passing on what was claimed.

 

[SmilingJack]

Wash, rinse, repeat.
These folks have been fighting for 2,000 years and still haven't been able to make it work. The children and innocent bystanders are just collateral. Nobody has high ground nor righteousness when they both behave this way.
Hurt people hurt people but I think healed people can heal people and that's the world I want!
Rodney King said it best "Can't we all just get along?"

 

[Batt Boy]

they are giving out sweet treats in Syria and around Mt. Lebanon for what its worth

 

[Patb78]

Or they decided to hit a residential area and claim that Hezbollah is there. It could be what they said, but you can't blame me for not believing a word that comes from their mouths.

It’s like if Trump told the truth for once. I’m not saying they’re telling the truth about this incident, but since they invaded Gaza, the IDF has told the truth about as often as the Orange Turd does.

 

[Calheel]

Wash, rinse, repeat.
These folks have been fighting for 2,000 years and still haven't been able to make it work. The children and innocent bystanders are just collateral. Nobody has high ground nor righteousness when they both behave this way.
Hurt people hurt people but I think healed people can heal people and that's the world I want!
Rodney King said it best "Can't we all just get along?"

They've been fighting since 1947. There is no historical analog to the Jews and Palestinians fighting in Jesus's time.

 

[2ManyBlueCups]

Israel reporting that Nastallah has been killed. If so, Hezbollah’s entire leadership structure has been destroyed in a matter of about a week.

 

[nycfan]

 

[finesse]

When and how do the civilians there and Gaza get any relief? Somebody should and I feel pretty NIMBY about it all.

 

[CLT Heel]

When and how do the civilians there and Gaza get any relief? Somebody should and I feel pretty NIMBY about it all.

I hesitate to type this because I don’t want to sound cold and callous about it, but…. I agree with your sentiments that the citizens in both those cases need both physical and mental relief. However, it should not be the job of the US to be the relief arm for an entire world, ESPECIALLY when the people are citizens of groups or countries that actively are against us and our way of life. Sadly, I don’t see any of the surrounding Muslim countries working to assist in any significant and meaningful way to support either of those groups, and it should be them first and foremost who help out.

I honestly hate that I feel that way, because I fully believe that those civilians want the same thing I do - to live a meaningful and peaceful life with those I love. We just can’t be all things to all people.