Israel reaches cease fire with Hezbollah, fighting shifts to Syria

[RaiGuy]

It feels like Lebanon would be screaming at Hezbollah. Hamas:Gaza are different from Hezbollah:Lebanon. If they aren't then it feels like a full-on war.

Even if Hezbollah wasn't there, Israel would then fabricate a reason to enter into Lebanon.

 

[Batt Boy]

Even if Hezbollah wasn't there, Israel would then fabricate a reason to enter into Lebanon.

I don't believe this. I believe if rockets and ballistic missiles were not being fired from Lebanon, the IDF wouldn't be there. Israel wants a prosperous Lebanon they can trade with.

 

[superrific]

I don't believe this. I believe if rockets and ballistic missiles were not being fired from Lebanon, the IDF wouldn't be there. Israel wants a prosperous Lebanon they can trade with.

If you say so. Their actions are not consistent with your thesis, but you do you.

 

[superrific]

After the Nakba, the Palestinians flowed into Lebanon. They fought everyone and launched numerous attackes on Israel and precipitated the Lebanese Civil War. In '82, the IDF invaded and ran the PLO off to North Africa.

This is a fun history. Skip over 30 years of history, blame everything on refugees, and then lie about Israel's involvement in Lebanon. They didn't invade in 1982. They invaded in 1978. They invaded again in 1982. And 2006. And apparently 2024. For some reason, they never seem to accomplish their goals, but surely this time will be different.

 

[2ManyBlueCups]

Even if Hezbollah wasn't there, Israel would then fabricate a reason to enter into Lebanon.

Why hasn’t Israel invaded Egypt? Almost like not launching missiles at Israel prevents you from being invaded.

 

[Batt Boy]

The history of Israeli Lebanese relations seems to indicate they don't want to be in Lebanon. Lebanon didn't take part in the Yom Kippur war, didn't take part in the Six Day war, and the IDF only invaded after the Palestinians came to Lebanon and precipitated the Civil War. I understand you don't trust the Israelis but I don't believe they want to be in Lebanon at all. They need to be to remove the threat from Hezbollah who has been sending rockets almost daily into Israel the past 8 months.

 

[finesse]

Why hasn’t Israel invaded Egypt? Almost like not launching missiles at Israel prevents you from being invaded.

Because last I heard the US was giving both huge amounts of foreign aid not to. Honest politicians stay bought.

 

[superrific]

Why hasn’t Israel invaded Egypt? Almost like not launching missiles at Israel prevents you from being invaded.

Israel wouldn't be in Lebanon if Lebanon had Egypt's air force.

 

[superrific]

The history of Israeli Lebanese relations seems to indicate they don't want to be in Lebanon.

No, they do not. They are fine periodically destroying it, though.

 

[Batt Boy]

Since Oct'23, Hezbollah has launched 8000 projectiles into Israel.

The Third Lebanon War between Israel and Hezbollah has begun. What’s next?

Israel’s massive aerial bombardment campaign on Monday targeting Hezbollah stockpiles, depots, and launchers in southern Lebanon could be a prelude to a ground invasion.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

 

[Geisterfahrer]

If you say so. Their actions are not consistent with your thesis, but you do you.

Their actions have always been about responding to Hezbollah/iran. If there was no Hezbollah Israel would have no interest in fighting in Lebanon. What possible motivation would they have?

 

[superrific]

Their actions have always been about responding to Hezbollah/iran. If there was no Hezbollah Israel would have no interest in fighting in Lebanon. What possible motivation would they have?

Israel was fighting in Lebanon before there was a Hezbollah. There was an invasion in 78. The invasion in 82 was especially egregious because it was basically a Gulf of Tonkin episode.

1982 Lebanon War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This wiki page, incidentally, contains an interesting sentence. It seems not terribly neutral, which is odd for wikipedia, especially for this particular conflict. Anyway, it's sourced to a book by Israeli historian Benny Morris, so it's probably not complete BS. Anyway, I'm not going to opine about what happened in that conflict, but I think it's fair to say that Israel's incursions into Lebanon were neither entirely (or even primarily) in self-defense, nor were they particularly just.

 

[2ManyBlueCups]

Israel was fighting in Lebanon before there was a Hezbollah. There was an invasion in 78. The invasion in 82 was especially egregious because it was basically a Gulf of Tonkin episode.

1982 Lebanon War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This wiki page, incidentally, contains an interesting sentence. It seems not terribly neutral, which is odd for wikipedia, especially for this particular conflict. Anyway, it's sourced to a book by Israeli historian Benny Morris, so it's probably not complete BS. Anyway, I'm not going to opine about what happened in that conflict, but I think it's fair to say that Israel's incursions into Lebanon were neither entirely (or even primarily) in self-defense, nor were they particularly just.

Israel didn’t invade Lebanon in 1978 for fun. The invasion was a direct response to a bus massacre that killed 38 Israeli civilians, 13 of them children. The terrorists that committed the attack were based in southern Lebanon along with several thousand other militants.

 

[superrific]

Israel didn’t invade Lebanon in 1978 for fun. The invasion was a direct response to a bus massacre that killed 38 Israeli civilians, 13 of them children. The terrorists that committed the attack were based in southern Lebanon along with several thousand other militants.

Well, they were bombing Lebanon for a decade prior to that. So you could say that the bus massacre was a direct response to that.

It is so exhausting to argue with you people who credulously believe that Israel is the good guy in this conflict. There are no good guys in this conflict. This is the penitence that the human race is paying for the sin of the Holocaust. Unfortunately, sinner and victim are not the same.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

Israel was fighting in Lebanon before there was a Hezbollah. There was an invasion in 78. The invasion in 82 was especially egregious because it was basically a Gulf of Tonkin episode.

1982 Lebanon War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This wiki page, incidentally, contains an interesting sentence. It seems not terribly neutral, which is odd for wikipedia, especially for this particular conflict. Anyway, it's sourced to a book by Israeli historian Benny Morris, so it's probably not complete BS. Anyway, I'm not going to opine about what happened in that conflict, but I think it's fair to say that Israel's incursions into Lebanon were neither entirely (or even primarily) in self-defense, nor were they particularly just.

Just or not they were fighting the PLO, sworn enemies from both sides.

Absent the threat of Hezbollah there’s no current threat from Lebanon.

 

[Zoo_View]

I’d argue that Israel is as responsible as anyone for how broken Lebanon is today.

Hezbollah isn’t innocent; Israel helped break Lebanon before Hezbollah existed.

 

[Batt Boy]

I’d argue that Israel is as responsible as anyone for how broken Lebanon is today.

Hezbollah isn’t innocent; Israel helped break Lebanon before Hezbollah existed.

Israel bears much blame. Talk to some Lebanese. They place heavy blame on a couple other parties as well.

 

[nycfan]

 

[Batt Boy]

Hezbollah has more rockets than tubes. They need a cease fire to reload, bringing in ammo from "nature reserves". Coordination has been hurt by the absolute decapitation of leadership/communications last week. It would be in the IDF's interest not to get stuck in the Lebanon mud like before and instead continue to use stand off assets. "Operation Peace for Galilee" had already failed.

 

[altmin]

Breaking on MSNBC right now: timed to happen right after Netanyahu finished speaking at the UN, Israel bombed the supposed Hezbollah command center in Beirut.