Israel assaults Iran, pounds Lebanon, Hezbollah

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RaiGuy said:
LOL, that video? The one where he points to a calendar and claims it lists the shifts of the "Khamas terrorists"...but maybe Hamas is using a secret code and the names of the members are Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc... :ROFLMAO:

I guess these videos work on some people
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The topic was Hamas tunnels specifically located under civilian buildings, like hospitals. Is there any doubt that Hamas has tunnels under hospitals, given that we have video of Hamas tunnels under a hospital?

Israel isn't perfect, but taking the word of terrorists because of a few mistakes by Israel is like MAGA turning to Gateway Pundit because of a few mistakes by MSM. It's a losing proposition.
 
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Israel's intelligence has been largely spot-on during this war. Their intelligence is the reason that they have been able to essentially destroy the leadership structures of Hamas and Hezbollah.
 
ZZLPHeel said:
Israel's intelligence has been largely spot-on during this war. Their intelligence is the reason that they have been able to essentially destroy the leadership structures of Hamas and Hezbollah.
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And I can assure you, the HUMINT and SIGINT in Iran are deep, extensive and timely.

Esmaeil Khatib knows it.
Hossein Salami knows it.
Ghomareza Soleimani knows it.
Aziz Nashirzadh knows it.
 
ZZLPHeel said:
Israel's intelligence has been largely spot-on during this war. Their intelligence is the reason that they have been able to essentially destroy the leadership structures of Hamas and Hezbollah.
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Except for completely missing the O7 attack, but other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, for an intelligence agency that supposedly knows where everyone is, there's sure a lot of collateral damage.
 
superrific said:
Except for completely missing the O7 attack, but other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, for an intelligence agency that supposedly knows where everyone is, there's sure a lot of collateral damage.
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Yup, missing 10/7 was an absolute blunder. They have done their best to make up for it since, but once the war is over an investigation into how the warning signs were missed needs to be completed and those responsible need to be punished.

There is a lot of collateral damage because that's exactly how Hamas operates and what it wanted to happen, unfortunately. Palestinian civilians don't seem to mean a lot to either side here.
 
superrific said:
Except for completely missing the O7 attack, but other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, for an intelligence agency that supposedly knows where everyone is, there's sure a lot of collateral damage.
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Is there a lot of collateral damage?
 
ZZLPHeel said:
There is a lot of collateral damage because that's exactly how Hamas operates and what it wanted to happen, unfortunately. Palestinian civilians don't seem to mean a lot to either side here.
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All right. You're praising Israel and then admitting they don't give a fuck about Palestinian civilians. Like WTF dude
 
ZZLPHeel said:
He said they were on a guided tour and were not limited on what they could film in the spots that they were led to. They were not given permission to freely go on their own all over the hospital.
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Hell, you can't freely walk around Cone hospital in Greensboro when your father is in the ICU. No one anywhere is going to open the doors and give that kind of access.
 
ZZLPHeel said:
Yup, missing 10/7 was an absolute blunder. They have done their best to make up for it since, but once the war is over an investigation into how the warning signs were missed needs to be completed and those responsible need to be punished.

There is a lot of collateral damage because that's exactly how Hamas operates and what it wanted to happen, unfortunately. Palestinian civilians don't seem to mean a lot to either side here.
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I don't know that there has ever been a war under these conditions to say there is a lot of collateral damage...but I'll go with it.

There's "a lot" of collateral damage because Hamas convinces people to stay in harms way and uses them as human shields. Some number are happy to oblige because being a martyr guarantees you and your family an eternity of paradise and you get to bang virgins for the rest of eternity.

There's also "a lot" of collateral damage because they are fighting urban warfare in a very densely populated area. Going from memory, Gaza has about 2.5 million people in a 140 sq mi area. Again...going from memory.

The other factor is that the Health Ministry doesn't count fighters and civilians separately.

EDIT: I'll note that, given the circumstances, IF Israel was being indiscriminate with their weapons, the casualties would be significantly higher. Hamas killed about 1,000 civilians in a matter of hours using only hand-held weapons, as far as I know. Israel has killed ~40k in over a year.
 
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ZenMode said:
The topic was Hamas tunnels specifically located under civilian buildings, like hospitals. Is there any doubt that Hamas has tunnels under hospitals, given that we have video of Hamas tunnels under a hospital?

Israel isn't perfect, but taking the word of terrorists because of a few mistakes by Israel is like MAGA turning to Gateway Pundit because of a few mistakes by MSM. It's a losing proposition.
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Thats a horrible analogy.

Ever notice that the problems with multiple countries have one common denominator? Isreal.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't know that there has ever been a war under these conditions to say there is a lot of collateral damage...but I'll go with it.

There's "a lot" of collateral damage because
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ZenMode said:
Hamas convinces people to stay in harms way and uses them as human shields. Some number are happy to oblige because being a martyr guarantees you and your family an eternity of paradise and you get to bang virgins for the rest of eternity.

There's also "a lot" of collateral damage because they're are fighting urban warfare in a very densely populated area. Going from memory, Gaza has about 2.5 million people in a 140 sq mi area. Again...going from memory.

The other factor is that the Health Ministry doesn't count fighters and civilians separately.
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"Bang virgins" wow.

This "war" was wanted by Isreal they are the 250 lb, 6'5" NFL linebacker beating up on the 125 lb school librarian.

We should stop selling them weapons and see how quickly they would agree to a cease fire.
 
UNCatTech said:
"Bang virgins" wow.

This "war" was wanted by Isreal they are the 250 lb, 6'5" NFL linebacker beating up on the 125 lb school librarian.

We should stop selling them weapons and see how quickly they would agree to a cease fire.
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Yep...bang virgins. That's one of the rewards for being a martyr.

There was a cease fire on October 6th.
 
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