Israel reaches cease fire with Hezbollah, fighting shifts to Syria

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superrific said:
So what? Fifty to a hundred kooks have no power and no influence. They are, I would imagine, mostly grad students who have stalled out on their dissertations and are not long for Columbia's campus.
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You don't think 50-100 students openly supporting the murder of Jewish people is a big deal? Do you think that those students should be allowed on campus?
 
rodoheel said:
Hello, generic username making first post on this board who is definitely not trolling. Whatever you think of the Columbia student movement, nothing in that article supported the idea that they have called for "murdering Jewish people wherever they may be."
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This is an alternate account for 2ManyBlueCups that I am using with the knowledge and blessing of Rock while we try to get some quirks figured out with my initial account. Not trying to be sneaky.

Did you read the article? The leader of the protest who was suspended after telling leaders that they are "lucky I'm not out murdering zionists right now" has doubled down on his language, as has his group. This is vile, violent rhetoric, and it would not surprise me if one or more of these people took action.

From the article:

“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, said in its statement revoking the apology.
The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.

“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”
The Columbia group’s increasingly radical statements are being mirrored by pro-Palestinian groups on other college campuses, including in a series of social media posts this week that praised the Oct. 7 attack. They also reflect the influence of more extreme protest groups off campus, like Within Our Lifetime, that support violent attacks against Israel.

“Long live October 7th,” Nerdeen Kiswani, the head of Within Our Lifetime, wrote on X on Tuesday.
Students for Justice in Palestine, a pro-Palestinian student group that has chapters at hundreds of colleges across the country, was among the groups whose members posted praise for the Oct. 7 attack.
“Al-Aqsa Flood was a historic act of resistance against decades of occupation, apartheid, and settler colonial violence,” the Brown chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine posted on Instagram.
Citing revolutionary thinkers, like Vladimir Lenin and Frantz Fanon, it explained how solidarity was essential with members of the so-called Axis of Resistance — which includes Iran, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas — because they oppose imperialism.

Since then, the group has praised a Tel Aviv attack by Palestinian militants that killed seven people at a light rail station on Oct. 1, including a mother who died while shielding her 9-month-old baby. It also praised Iran’s missile attack on the Jewish state that began that evening, calling it a “bold move.”
On Tuesday, the group said it rescinded an apology it made last spring about the behavior of Khymani James, a student who had said in a disciplinary hearing that “Zionists don’t deserve to live,” and, “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”

“We let you down,” the group wrote in a statement, referring to Mr. James. No longer, the group vowed, would it “pander to liberal media to make the movement for liberation palatable.”

Mr. James, who is suing Columbia over his ongoing suspension, thanked the group. “I will not allow anyone to shame me for my politics,” he wrote on social media. “Anything I said, I meant it.”
 
ZZLPHeel said:
You don't think 50-100 students openly supporting the murder of Jewish people is a big deal? Do you think that those students should be allowed on campus?
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I think the university should make an individual decision about each and every one of them and not be panicked into a collective guilt reaction. I tend to mistrust a collective anything.
 
finesse said:
I think the university should make an individual decision about each and every one of them and not be panicked into a collective guilt reaction. I tend to mistrust a collective anything.
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Fair enough. Do you think that the groups openly calling for terrorist attacks should be allowed on campus? And do you understand why students might feel threatened when there are groups of people publicly calling for such attacks who go to class with them? If someone from the Sons of Confederate Veterans got into UNC and then told administrators "you're lucky I'm not out here murdering Black people", and that person's organization supported those comments, do you think that group would retain a right to be on campus?
 
ZZLPHeel said:
You don't think 50-100 students openly supporting the murder of Jewish people is a big deal? Do you think that those students should be allowed on campus?
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I don't know what Columbia should do. It's not really my business, is it? I don't know the details. I don't know about Columbia's expulsion process. I don't like making snap judgments about things I know nothing about.

I would say that, as a general matter, it's bad for colleges to have speakers or students who advocate murder. As far as I can see, there was one such student at Columbia who said something like that. Then he retracted it, and then the group de-retracted it (not sure how they can; I don't think the student was speaking for the organization in either instance). I feel comfortable saying that rhetoric like killing Zionists is neither productive nor moral. Beyond that, I have no comment because I don't know the facts. Neither do you, and this gets to a difference between us.
 
p5mmr9 said:
I know Coates would be more than happy for Israel to be wiped from the map. He made that pretty clear on Ezra Klein's podcast.
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This language of "wiped from the map" is really noxious. You're trying to use rhetoric to make a substantive point and it's disingenuous.

I'm fairly confident that Coates would not be more than happy for Israel to be "wiped from the map" with the violence implied by that term. That's not at all the same as advocacy pertaining to the desirability of a one-state, Jewish state in that area.

And yes, I'm aware that some of the people who, in your scenario, would do the wiping would have as much compunction as ISIL. But that's sort of a different point. You can say that, in your view, Israel should cease to exist without committing to rampant violence as the means for that.
 
www.aljazeera.com

Israel destroying northern Gaza through ‘death and displacement’, UN fears

Israel continues to besiege Jabalia, Beit Hanoon and Beit Lahiya in north Gaza while also attacking Lebanon’s Beirut.
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Israel destroying north Gaza, strikes Lebanon’s Beirut with missiles​


  • The UN Human Rights Office (OHCHR) says it is concerned Israel “may be causing the destruction of the Palestinian population in Gaza’s northernmost governorate through death and displacement”.
  • The UN is particularly concerned about the people of Jabalia, Beit Hanoon and Beit Lahiya, where more than 87 Palestinians were killed or are missing after an Israeli attack that levelled an entire residential block.
 
ZenMode said:
I haven't followed the details of the war since fairly early on, so I'm not familiar with most of the things you mentioned.
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Yet that hasn't stopped you from posting complete nonsense. Good to know you're finally admitting you are just shitposting on this thread.
 

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On the Hezbollah front, the IDF now publicly revealed that Hezbollah is keeping its finances as well as a former bunker of Nasrallah, under a hospital in Beirut's Dahiyah neighborhood (Hezbollah stronghold).
Instead of striking it, the IDF's spokesperson in Arabic Avichai Adraee provided extra details on how to enter the facility and reach the money. Approximately $500 million are located there.
Hezbollah pays its members in US dollars, raising the chances someone will take upon themselves the task to loot it.
Lebanon's population is far more sympathetic to Israel than the population of Gaza or J&S could ever be, so it's preferable that civilians get the area cleared so infrastructure remains intact. However in a general outlook on Dahiyeh, its status could be a dilemma for the IDF.
On one hand, its destruction could ensure Hezbollah's infrastructure is truly removed and Hezbollah has nowhere to return in Beirut.
On the other hand, the crisis in Lebanon may also manifest as a housing crisis and so maintaining Dahiyeh somewhat intact could further Israel in the aspect of hearts and minds, which is ultimately quite important for a "day after" strategy in Lebanon.
 
Batt Boy said:


On the Hezbollah front, the IDF now publicly revealed that Hezbollah is keeping its finances as well as a former bunker of Nasrallah, under a hospital in Beirut's Dahiyah neighborhood (Hezbollah stronghold).
Instead of striking it, the IDF's spokesperson in Arabic Avichai Adraee provided extra details on how to enter the facility and reach the money. Approximately $500 million are located there.
Hezbollah pays its members in US dollars, raising the chances someone will take upon themselves the task to loot it.
Lebanon's population is far more sympathetic to Israel than the population of Gaza or J&S could ever be, so it's preferable that civilians get the area cleared so infrastructure remains intact. However in a general outlook on Dahiyeh, its status could be a dilemma for the IDF.
On one hand, its destruction could ensure Hezbollah's infrastructure is truly removed and Hezbollah has nowhere to return in Beirut.
On the other hand, the crisis in Lebanon may also manifest as a housing crisis and so maintaining Dahiyeh somewhat intact could further Israel in the aspect of hearts and minds, which is ultimately quite important for a "day after" strategy in Lebanon.
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Is this the same hospital mentioned in Raiguy's 10:30 PM post? I don't know anything about the credence of his source but your source gives his more.
 
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