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[ZenMode]

Deaths, even of babies, is part of war, a war that Hamas started.

I've already said I don't support the denial of aid, but the claims of genocide and the believing of terrorist lies started on October 9, if not the 8th.

As I've asked multiple times, what should Israel do? Hamas continually attacks them, with the biggest attack being on 10/7/23, then they run back to Gaza, hostages in hand, and hide in hospitals, churches, schools and mosques...

What should Israel do? Let them continually attack without consequence?

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

As I've asked multiple times, what should Israel do? Hamas continually attacks them, with the biggest attack being on 10/7/23, then they run back to Gaza, hostages in hand, and hide in hospitals, churches, schools and mosques...

What should Israel do? Let them continually attack without consequence?

I think it’s more that 10/7 was the final straw but these two sides have been fighting in a war forever. The world just started playing attention after 10/7.

 

[superrific]

I just started playing attention after 10/7.

Fixed it for you.

 

[superrific]

No, they don't. There are no such magic bombs, and Hamas knows this, which is why they build their terror tunnels under civilian infrastructure.

Just out of curiosity, what's the emergency responder response to the following situation (adapted from real life events): A person takes a whole bunch of guns into a hotel room. He starts shooting at pedestrians below, while taking some hostages for protection.

Would you respond by:

1. Blowing up the hotel with a bunker busting bomb; or
2. Find a different way

Just curious.

 

[RaiGuy]

Deaths, even of babies, is part of war, a war that Hamas started.

I've already said I don't support the denial of aid, but the claims of genocide and the believing of terrorist lies started on October 9, if not the 8th.

Yes, because Israel's intentions were known on October 8th (and before October 7th). This has always been Netanyahu's plan and he was just waiting for a time to execute it. Again, you continue to show how little you know about this subject when you keep the false claims that it started on October 7th.

 

[ZenMode]

Just out of curiosity, what's the emergency responder response to the following situation (adapted from real life events): A person takes a whole bunch of guns into a hotel room. He starts shooting at pedestrians below, while taking some hostages for protection.

Would you respond by:

1. Blowing up the hotel with a bunker busting bomb; or
2. Find a different way

Just curious.

"Find a different way"

Your two answers to the question of what Israel should do, as far as I've seen, are "I don't know" and "Find a different way".

 

[RaiGuy]

"Find a different way"

Your two answers to the question of what Israel should do, as far as I've seen, are "I don't know" and "Find a different way".

You are the kind of person to agree with literally blowing up a house to get rid of some spiders (after willingly feeding the spiders prior to them biting someone in the house).

 

[superrific]

As I've asked multiple times, what should Israel do? Hamas continually attacks them, with the biggest attack being on 10/7/23, then they run back to Gaza, hostages in hand, and hide in hospitals, churches, schools and mosques...

What should Israel do? Let them continually attack without consequence?

Was it right or wrong for the US to have carpet bombed Vietnam with napalm, agent orange and conventional explosives, since the VC fighters were "hiding" amidst the villages?

What never occurs to the unreflective apologist is that the Hamas soldiers "hide" among civilians because that's where they live. They aren't a professional military with military bases and barracks for the troops. Like the VC in that respect. That's what happens in such situations.

For many years, Israel squeezed Gaza pointlessly. It made the Palestinians angry. Very angry, and rightfully so. Some of them joined Hamas, and Hamas realized that its previous strategy of isolated bombings had become ineffective. So it planned something bigger.

What do you think is going to happen next? Islamism is going to just die because Hamas was destroyed? Thousands of years of human history suggest that is not the likely outcome. What is much more likely is that terrorists will get their hands on a nuke and bye bye Tel Aviv. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

 

[ZenMode]

You are the kind of person to agree with literally blowing up a house to get rid of some spiders (after willingly feeding the spiders prior to them biting someone in the house).

Not at all. Israel is in a no-win situation and are being held to impossible standards. As I've said repeatedly, there are 15k people per square mile in Gaza. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they would killed, and are capable of killing, millions by now. They're at about 55k based on recent estimates I've seen.

So, you tell me.... Is Israel the most inept military in the history of war or are they not trying to commit genocide?

 

[superrific]

Your two answers to the question of what Israel should do, as far as I've seen, are "I don't know" and "Find a different way".

Yes, because I'm not an arrogant blowhard like you.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how law works. We can agree that murder is illegal in the United States, right? All right. Suppose you have a rental property. You rent it to a psychopath who begins to systematically destroy it. He breeds bugs and rats, pulls the wires out of the walls, etc. Then you try to evict him but he gets a court to order that the landlord go through the eviction process. The landlord says, if we go this way, my property will be gone by the time we get him out.

Now, I ask you: what do you think is the proper course of action for him: A). Shoot and kill the psychopath renter? or B). Find another way.

This is how all law works everywhere: it constrains actions. People who would want to use violence to achieve an end are expected to find another way. The law doesn't prescribe that other way. That's not the law's job. For one thing, it would be a huge violation of personal freedom; secondly , it would be ignorant because the people who write the laws do not have detailed knowledge of everyone's lives.

I'm very happy with "find another way" as a response. The landlord is in a shitty situation. Nonetheless, homicide is wrong and would be rightfully prosecuted. Like every rational American, I feel for him and don't necessarily know what he should do. Like every rational American, I would not countenance a murder.

This isn't hard.

 

[ZenMode]

Was it right or wrong for the US to have carpet bombed Vietnam with napalm, agent orange and conventional explosives, since the VC fighters were "hiding" amidst the villages?

The standards of war have changed over time. Things that were viewed as acceptable in the past are not now.

What never occurs to the unreflective apologist is that the Hamas soldiers "hide" among civilians because that's where they live. They aren't a professional military with military bases and barracks for the troops. Like the VC in that respect. That's what happens in such situations.

Terrorists don't live in operating hospitals, churches, schools and mosques...

For many years, Israel squeezed Gaza pointlessly. It made the Palestinians angry. Very angry, and rightfully so. Some of them joined Hamas, and Hamas realized that its previous strategy of isolated bombings had become ineffective. So it planned something bigger.

Israel has to monitor Gaza because they're run by terrorists. Giving Gaza absolute sovereignty would only allow the terrorists to make more and more murderous attempts at actually wiping Israel of the map.

What do you think is going to happen next? Islamism is going to just die because Hamas was destroyed? Thousands of years of human history suggest that is not the likely outcome. What is much more likely is that terrorists will get their hands on a nuke and bye bye Tel Aviv. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

Again, should Israel allow Hamas to murder and take hostages, run back to their schools, hospitals and churces and hide, avoiding any kind of consequence for their actions?

 

[superrific]

Again, should Israel allow Hamas to murder and take hostages, run back to their schools, hospitals and churces and hide, avoiding any kind of consequence for their actions?

You really think the alternative to a genocide is "no consequence"? What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

Why was Israel able to neutralize Hezbollah without turning Lebanon into a rubble pile? What is the main difference between those situations? It can't possibly be oceanside real estate, can it?

 

[superrific]

The standards of war have changed over time. Things that were viewed as acceptable in the past are not now.

All of that shit in Vietnam was illegal. It was well known to be wrong, which is why the military spent so much effort covering it up.

But anyway, your answer gave away your whole game, lol. You don't even know what helps your argument versus hurts it. If your response to the Vietnam atrocities is to say, "well, things have changed" -- well, guess what asshat? That undermines your argument. That shows that everyone knows what Israel is doing is wrong.

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

Fixed it for you.

For sure. This wasn’t on my radar like 99% of the world.

 

[ZenMode]

You really think the alternative to a genocide is "no consequence"? What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

There is no genocide. Israel is more then capable of committing genocide. They've killed about 55k people in a country of 3 million, with 15k people per square mile. Either Israel is the inept military in world history or they aren't even trying to commit genocide.

Why was Israel able to neutralize Hezbollah without turning Lebanon into a rubble pile? What is the main difference between those situations? It can't possibly be oceanside real estate, can it?

I have no idea. Hezbollah isn't Hamas. Lebanon isn't Gaza. It would appear that Hezbollah/Lebanon actually care about not being turned into rubble.

 

[ZenMode]

All of that shit in Vietnam was illegal. It was well known to be wrong, which is why the military spent so much effort covering it up.

But anyway, your answer gave away your whole game, lol. You don't even know what helps your argument versus hurts it. If your response to the Vietnam atrocities is to say, "well, things have changed" -- well, guess what asshat? That undermines your argument. That shows that everyone knows what Israel is doing is wrong.

I was referring to a number of things, like Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Stop changing the subject.

Anyway, no, terrorists don't live in operating hospitals, churches, schools and mosques....

Israel has to monitor/manage Gaza for survival because Gaza is run by terrorists.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

As I've asked multiple times, what should Israel do? Hamas continually attacks them, with the biggest attack being on 10/7/23, then they run back to Gaza, hostages in hand, and hide in hospitals, churches, schools and mosques...

What should Israel do? Let them continually attack without consequence?

Notice how no one can answer this question.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Just out of curiosity, what's the emergency responder response to the following situation (adapted from real life events): A person takes a whole bunch of guns into a hotel room. He starts shooting at pedestrians below, while taking some hostages for protection.

Would you respond by:

1. Blowing up the hotel with a bunker busting bomb; or
2. Find a different way

Just curious.

I don’t think that is a fair comparison. 10/7 wasn’t just one lone gunman. It was a coordinated attack by hundreds of heavily armed terrorists. Not to mention the thousands of missiles that Hamas launched into Israel prior to and after 10/7. Hamas is a paramilitary terrorist organization. Law enforcement would not be leading the response to them.

 

[RaiGuy]

Notice how no one can answer this question.

How about you answer how Israel will know when it has defeated Hamas and when this "war" will end? They've tried and failed many times to defeat Hamas. It won't work this way either. Ethnically cleansing all the Palestinians out of Gaza is not a solution.

 

[ZenMode]

Notice how no one can answer this question.

Yes. Nobody knows what Israel should do, but they know what Israel shouldn't do and that is attempt to win and defeat Hamas. They're apparently supposed to respond, but only a little bit...and then wait for the next attack and respond just a little bit and so on...