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ZenMode said:
Their plan, as I've read it, is to remove Hamas entirely. Presumably to have a non-terrorist group run the government.

There can be no peace plan as long as Hamas, or any Islamist/terrorist group, exists in Gaza.

All Israel can do, outside forcing regime change and "hope", is to debilitate Hamas so badly, and likely continue enforcing a blockade, to put off the next attack as long as possible.
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Funny you say that as Netanyahu admitted yesterday for arming an ISIS-affiliate gang to fight Hamas. Are you cool with that?
 
RaiGuy said:
So you're fine if that group winds up taking over? Do you think it's "moral" to arm an ISIS-affiliate?

Again, you change your argument to fit your narrative.
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No. I'm definitely not ok with another terrorist organization running Gaza. The question was whether or not I'm ok with Netanyahu arming ISIS to fight Hamas. Sure. Why not? I could come back to bite him since I doubt ISIS is a big fan of Israel, but nothing wrong with leveraging a little theological hatred to your advantage.
 
ZenMode said:
Their plan, as I've read it, is to remove Hamas entirely. Presumably to have a non-terrorist group run the government.
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That's an aspiration, not a plan. Not going to indulge you arguing over the meanings of words. A plan is an identified means to a specified end. That is not a plan.
 
ZenMode said:
No. I'm definitely not ok with another terrorist organization running Gaza. The question was whether or not I'm ok with Netanyahu arming ISIS to fight Hamas. Sure. Why not? I could come back to bite him since I doubt ISIS is a big fan of Israel, but nothing wrong with leveraging a little theological hatred to your advantage.
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This is fucking moronic. So you arm a gang, have them fight Hamas, hope they beat Hamas, and then hope that they don't fight you? Or that you can then backstab them and eliminate them?

Now you see why I don't answer the question, "what should Israel do." My answer would also be moronic, because it's an incredibly complicated issue that requires a great deal of study to really grasp and a deep familiarity with the relevant players. Since I generally try to avoid being a moron, I don't offer up moronic ideas. Apparently that has never stopped you.
 
superrific said:
This is fucking moronic. So you arm a gang, have them fight Hamas, hope they beat Hamas, and then hope that they don't fight you? Or that you can then backstab them and eliminate them?

Now you see why I don't answer the question, "what should Israel do." My answer would also be moronic, because it's an incredibly complicated issue that requires a great deal of study to really grasp and a deep familiarity with the relevant players. Since I generally try to avoid being a moron, I don't offer up moronic ideas. Apparently that has never stopped you.
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Kinda like the CIA arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan and creating the Taliban, no?
 
superrific said:
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

The reason that they aren't "winning" is that they aren't trying to win. They don't have a plan -- not unlike the US in Vietnam, where we seemed to assume if we killed all the bad guys, we'd come out on top. But the bad guys kept coming and coming.

If Israel were to come out with a realistic peace plan to secure better defenses for them and a vision for the lawful inhabitants of the Palestinian areas, I'll bet it would get a lot of international support. But have you seen anything like that? I haven't. Because they don't want peace. The religious right has taken over the country and that religious right is genocidal.
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When you’ve been at war forever, sometimes human nature wound take over and that would be “just level the place and ask questions later.” I think that’s probably the appetite for Israeli people right now. Make Gaza a parking lot and personally we won’t have to worry about them taking me as a hostage.
 
ZenMode said:
No. I'm definitely not ok with another terrorist organization running Gaza. The question was whether or not I'm ok with Netanyahu arming ISIS to fight Hamas. Sure. Why not? I could come back to bite him since I doubt ISIS is a big fan of Israel, but nothing wrong with leveraging a little theological hatred to your advantage.
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The US is arming Ukraine. Before Ukraine was attacked, would the US ever have been in bed with them? Of course not. War makes strange bed fellows.
 
superrific said:
This is fucking moronic. So you arm a gang, have them fight Hamas, hope they beat Hamas, and then hope that they don't fight you? Or that you can then backstab them and eliminate them?
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Which is why I said it could come back to bite him.
superrific said:
Now you see why I don't answer the question, "what should Israel do." My answer would also be moronic, because it's an incredibly complicated issue that requires a great deal of study to really grasp and a deep familiarity with the relevant players. Since I generally try to avoid being a moron, I don't offer up moronic ideas. Apparently that has never stopped you.
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You may not know what Israel should do but you seem pretty confident that it shouldn't be continuing to pursue and kill Hamas. I disagree. The only chance for Israel to be moderately safe is to neutralize Hamas.
 
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