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RaiGuy said:
You tell me how many are combatants. You can't because Israel doesn't know and just blindly bombs areas and hopes they hit a combatant. One simple number to look at is the percent of the killed/injured that are children. The Israeli ones are 8% (27 of them) of the killed and 8% (503) of the injured. For Palestinians, 22.5% (1,528) of the killed were children, and 21% (33,246) of the injured were children. Let me guess, that's Hamas's fault.

You think Hamas used billions of dollars to make homemade bombs? lol

No, the reason for the difference in casualty is because Israel uses an army to attack civilian houses. You keep regurgitating the same Israeli propaganda over and over without making any real sense.
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Hamas has been caught strapping suicide bombs to 10 year-olds and sending them to Israeli cities. There are videos of 14 and 15 year old Hamas fighters with AKs engaging Israelis. When you disproportionately use child soldiers, you risk having a larger number of children killed. When you strategically launch rockets from hospitals and schools, you risk having children killed. Hamas knows this and welcomes it.

I think Hamas used portions of the foreign aid to build tunnels, to buy missiles which they have launched by the thousands into Israel, and to buy weapons. Hamas's leaders have also used this money to buy Ferraris and luxury condos in Qatar, where they live lavishly.
 
TarSpiel said:
Ya think? What was your first clue, Sherlock?

What's your hot take on why 98% of Palestinians are *not* members of Hamas?
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What's your hot take on why the residents of Gaza voted Hamas into power and recent polls have indicated that the overwhelming majority supported 10/7 and continue to support Hamas?
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
What's your hot take on why the residents of Gaza voted Hamas into power and recent polls have indicated that the overwhelming majority supported 10/7 and continue to support Hamas?
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Answer the question I asked, and then I'll respond to this.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
Hamas has been caught strapping suicide bombs to 10 year-olds and sending them to Israeli cities. There are videos of 14 and 15 year old Hamas fighters with AKs engaging Israelis. When you disproportionately use child soldiers, you risk having a larger number of children killed. When you strategically launch rockets from hospitals and schools, you risk having children killed. Hamas knows this and welcomes it.

I think Hamas used portions of the foreign aid to build tunnels, to buy missiles which they have launched by the thousands into Israel, and to buy weapons. Hamas's leaders have also used this money to buy Ferraris and luxury condos in Qatar, where they live lavishly.
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you're saying they sent 1,528 child suicide bombers?? GTFOH

All you have to do is research and you will see where the massacres happen. Spoiler alert, they are 99% from Israeli bombs.
 
RaiGuy said:
you're saying they sent 1,528 child suicide bombers?? GTFOH

All you have to do is research and you will see where the massacres happen. Spoiler alert, they are 99% from Israeli bombs.
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Can you highlight where in the post you quoted I said they sent 1,528 child suicide bombers? It seems as if you read one sentence and stopped reading afterwards.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
Can you highlight where in the post you quoted I said they sent 1,528 child suicide bombers? It seems as if you read one sentence and stopped reading afterwards.
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I read where you are justifying children being slaughtered because you've seen images of Hamas using children.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
What's your hot take on why the residents of Gaza voted Hamas into power and recent polls have indicated that the overwhelming majority supported 10/7 and continue to support Hamas?
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What's your hot take about 65% of Israelis opposing criminal prosecution of soldiers that rape Palestinian prisoners? And around 95% supporting Israel's genocide and many saying it's not harsh enough?
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
Why are only a fraction of a percent of Americans members of the military? Simply supporting Hamas doesn't make you a member of it.
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The degree to which Palestinians "support Hamas" is an open question. I assume most Palestinians support some things Hamas does, and don't support others. It's not a binary, either/or thing.

But for the last 20 years, everyone in Palestine has had the opportunity to become offical members of Hamas, and 98% have refused to do that. My question still remains, why do you think that is?

I understand you have very little knowledge of the historical or cultural situation over there - other than what you google on the fly - that you tend to process information into binaries like an insect does with pheromones, and what info you do have is filtered through extremely tendentious sources, so whatever answer you give is bound to be a hot take, but I'm nevertheless in your what your hot take is....why do the overwhelming majority of Palestinians refuse to join Hamas, for going on 20+ years now?
 
RaiGuy said:
I read where you are justifying children being slaughtered because you've seen images of Hamas using children.
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I'm condemning Hamas for using children as soldiers, and for intentionally placing children at risk. You are only seeing what you want to see.
 
RaiGuy said:
What's your hot take about 65% of Israelis opposing criminal prosecution of soldiers that rape Palestinian prisoners? And around 95% supporting Israel's genocide and many saying it's not harsh enough?
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I think that's wrong. See, it isn't hard to get away from the "my team is better than your team" mentality.
 
TarSpiel said:
The degree to which Palestinians "support Hamas" is an open question. I assume most Palestinians support some things Hamas does, and don't support others. It's not a binary, either/or thing.

But for the last 20 years, everyone in Palestine has had the opportunity to become offical members of Hamas, and 98% have refused to do that. My question still remains, why do you think that is?

I understand you have very little knowledge of the historical or cultural situation over there - other than what you google on the fly - that you tend to process information into binaries like an insect does with pheromones, and what info you do have is filtered through extremely tendentious sources, so whatever answer you give is bound to be a hot take, but I'm nevertheless in your what your hot take is....why do the overwhelming majority of Palestinians refuse to join Hamas, for going on 20+ years now?
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I've actually spent time over there. Have you? Pretending like you know anything about me is not a great way to make an argument. It makes me question the other things that you say.

What does "becoming an official member of Hamas" entail? Do they get ID cards? AK-47s? I'm sincerely asking.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I'm condemning Hamas for using children as soldiers, and for intentionally placing children at risk. You are only seeing what you want to see.
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I haven't seen you once condemn Israel killing Palestinian civilians, or even Palestinian children. You just find a way to justify it as collateral damage, or a part of war, or that the children deserved it because they are Hamas soldiers. All you want to hear is people condemning Hamas. I've condemned them killing civilians enough times and I'm done wasting my time.
 
RaiGuy said:
I haven't seen you once condemn Israel killing Palestinian civilians, or even Palestinian children. You just find a way to justify it as collateral damage, or a part of war, or that the children deserved it because they are Hamas soldiers. All you want to hear is people condemning Hamas. I've condemned them killing civilians enough times and I'm done wasting my time.
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I condemn the intentional killing of Palestinian civilians by the IDF. I also condemn the killing of civilians that is caused by intentional recklessness by the IDF. However, I will say that the IDF cares more about Palestinian civilians than Hamas does. If Hamas chose to fight like Hezbollah, the civilian death toll in Gaza would be a fraction of what it currently is.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I condemn the intentional killing of Palestinian civilians by the IDF. I also condemn the killing of civilians that is caused by intentional recklessness by the IDF. However, I will say that the IDF cares more about Palestinian civilians than Hamas does. If Hamas chose to fight like Hezbollah, the civilian death toll in Gaza would be a fraction of what it currently is.
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There are some logistical and geographical challenges to your proposal. What forested mountain ranges would you propose Hamas use in Gaza?

I understand your larger point, but at a very practical level, any war waged from Gaza is going to be very different from any war waged from Southern Lebanon.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I've actually spent time over there. Have you? Pretending like you know anything about me is not a great way to make an argument. It makes me question the other things that you say.

What does "becoming an official member of Hamas" entail? Do they get ID cards? AK-47s? I'm sincerely asking.
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I've known you for a long time, IAmStageCoachBoBuckwheatTime. The fact that you have "spent time over there" means nothing. I know you're not an idiot, but lots of idiots have "spent time over there."

Joining Hamas in Gaza is not hard.. It's not a huge area, and 50,000 people have become official members. That's .002% of the population of Gaza. Why do you think, and feel free to just guess, why do you think more didn't join those 50,000?
 
Calheel said:
There are some logistical and geographical challenges to your proposal. What forested mountain ranges would you propose Hamas use in Gaza?

I understand your larger point, but at a very practical level, any war waged from Gaza is going to be very different from any war waged from Southern Lebanon.
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It is true that the Gaza Strip is much more densely populated than southern Lebanon, but there are still plenty of fields and areas that are not close to urban areas that they could use. Of course, that puts them at higher risk, but maybe they shouldn't be launching missiles blindly at civilian areas. I live in the United States and I know that if I stand outside a military base and blindly fire projectiles into it, I'm either going to get arrested or get smoked. The same applies to 10/7. Hamas had to know that Israel would respond forcibly. Had they been more strategic and targeted only soldiers and military targets, the response likely would have been far different. We lost over 200 Marines in Beirut in the 1980s and didn't launch any major wars as a result. Yet, when thousands of our civilians got killed on our own soil in 2001 we engaged in over 20 years of warfare with hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
TarSpiel said:
I've known you for a long time, IAmStageCoachBoBuckwheatTime. The fact that you have "spent time over there" means nothing. I know you're not an idiot, but lots of idiots have "spent time over there."

Joining Hamas in Gaza is not hard.. It's not a huge area, and 50,000 people have become official members. That's .002% of the population of Gaza. Why do you think, and feel free to just guess, why do you think more didn't join those 50,000?
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You're asking me a question that I don't think either one of us have the answer to. Do you know what the process is to become an official member of Hamas? Do they let women become members? Do you have to fill out an online application and then you get a welcome letter in the mail? I personally believe it is much harder than that, which would account for the membership number you listed.

Also, you claim to have known me for a while, but I've never been Stagecoach or Buckwheat so I guess you don't know as much about me as you think.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
It is true that the Gaza Strip is much more densely populated than southern Lebanon, but there are still plenty of fields and areas that are not close to urban areas that they could use. Of course, that puts them at higher risk, but maybe they shouldn't be launching missiles blindly at civilian areas. I live in the United States and I know that if I stand outside a military base and blindly fire projectiles into it, I'm either going to get arrested or get smoked. The same applies to 10/7. Hamas had to know that Israel would respond forcibly. Had they been more strategic and targeted only soldiers and military targets, the response likely would have been far different. We lost over 200 Marines in Beirut in the 1980s and didn't launch any major wars as a result. Yet, when thousands of our civilians got killed on our own soil in 2001 we engaged in over 20 years of warfare with hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Terrorists may be a lot of things, but stupidly hanging out in an open field when the opponent has satellites and sophisticated long-range weaponry is not one of them. Hezbollah is not more noble than Hamas. It simply has geographical advantages in how it wages war.
 
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