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From the AP story linked above:

“… During a 20-minute question-and-answer session Saturday with reporters aboard Air Force One, Trump also said he has ended his predecessor’s hold on sending 2,000-pound bombs to Israel. That lifts a pressure point meant to reduce civilian casualties during Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza, which is now halted by a tenuous ceasefire.

“We released them today,” Trump said of the bombs. “They’ve been waiting for them for a long time.” Asked why he lifted the ban on those bombs, Trump responded, “Because they bought them.”

… On his larger vision for Gaza, Trump said he had call earlier in the day with King Abdullah II of Jordan and would speak Sunday with President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi of Egypt.

“I’d like Egypt to take people,” Trump said. “You’re talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing and say, ‘You know, it’s over.’”

Trump said he complimented Jordan for having successfully accepted Palestinian refugees and that he told the king, “I’d love for you to take on more, cause I’m looking at the whole Gaza Strip right now, and it’s a mess. It’s a real mess.”



Such a drastic displacement of people would openly contradict Palestinian identity and deep connection to Gaza. Still, Trump said the part of the world that encompasses Gaza, has “had many, many conflicts” over centuries. He said resettling “could be temporary or long term.”

“Something has to happen,” Trump said. “But it’s literally a demolition site right now. Almost everything’s demolished, and people are dying there.” He added: “So, I’d rather get involved with some of the Arab nations, and build housing in a different location, where they can maybe live in peace for a change.”

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Trump has offered nontraditional views on the future of Gaza in the past. He suggested after he was inaugurated on Monday that Gaza has “really got to be rebuilt in a different way.”

The new president added then, ”Gaza is interesting. It’s a phenomenal location, on the sea. The best weather, you know, everything is good. It’s like, some beautiful things could be done with it, but it’s very interesting.” …”🤨
 
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“… Resuming delivery of large bombs, meanwhile, is a break with then-President Joe Biden, who halted their delivery in May as part of an effort to keep Israel from launching an all-out assault on the southern Gaza city of Rafah. A month later, Israel did take control of the city, but after the vast majority of the 1 million civilians that had been living or sheltering in Rafah had fled.

… “Civilians have been killed in Gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centers,” Biden told CNN in May when he held up the weapons. “I made it clear that if they go into Rafah ... I’m not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with Rafah, to deal with the cities, that deal with that problem.”

The Biden pause had also held up 1,700 500-pound bombs that had been packaged in the same shipment to Israel, but weeks later those bombs were delivered.

… Negotiations have yet to begin in earnest on the more difficult second phase of the deal that would eventually see the release of all hostages held by Hamas and an enduring halt to the fighting.

If the remaining hostages are not released, the Israeli government has threatened to resume its war against Hamas, which launched a massive assault against Israel on Oct. 7, 2023.“
 




I always think it is helpful to hear the quote when possible — tone and the hems and haws can be informative as well.

But henceforth I am also trying to be more circumspect about posting clips generally — to not be part of the problem feeding an outrage machine.
 
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ttump could cause mass death and dislocation in many, many ways over the next x years; however, Palestinians had the worst odds, by a magnitude. This has been so obvious, for soooooo long, yet the Biden admin's calculated response got prominently promoted as a reason for punishing Harris'. With ttump's ethic cleaning comment, he's publicly given Bibi justification for just about any action.

Just mind numbing ignorance.
 
StrangePackage said:
apnews.com

Trump wants Jordan and Egypt to accept more Palestinian refugees and floats plan to 'clean out' Gaza

Trump said he discussed his vision on a call earlier in the day with King Abdullah II of Jordan and would speak Sunday with President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi of Egypt.
apnews.com apnews.com

He's just openly calling for ethnic cleansing.
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Yup, and Kushner has been talking with developers to build beachfront resorts in Gaza for months.
This was Israel’s goal from the start. Demolish and depopulate Gaza to build settlements and access the natural gas underneath it. I’ve been saying this from the start that it was never about eliminating Hamas.
 
nycfan said:




I always think it is helpful to hear the quote when possible — tone and the hems and haws can be informative as well.

But henceforth I am also trying to be more circumspect about posting clips generally — to not be part of the problem feeding an outrage machine.
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He thinks we're gonna throw up a couple golf courses and a Trump Tower. Palestinians get a reduced cart fee.
 
Healing said:
ttump could cause mass death and dislocation in many, many ways over the next x years; however, Palestinians had the worst odds, by a magnitude. This has been so obvious, for soooooo long, yet the Biden admin's calculated response got prominently promoted as a reason for punishing Harris'. With ttump's ethic cleaning comment, he's publicly given Bibi justification for just about any action.

Just mind numbing ignorance.
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yup. this is why i was and still am endlessly flabbergasted by the whole uncommitted movement.

things were always, always, always going to go the absolute worst way for palestine with trump in power.
 
nycfan said:




I always think it is helpful to hear the quote when possible — tone and the hems and haws can be informative as well.

But henceforth I am also trying to be more circumspect about posting clips generally — to not be part of the problem feeding an outrage machine.
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Clear it out! Let me build my hotels!
 
4thgenheel said:
yup. this is why i was and still am endlessly flabbergasted by the whole uncommitted movement.

things were always, always, always going to go the absolute worst way for palestine with trump in power.
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Yep. Thanks Hamas lovers, protestors, young people who did not vote. Good job.
 
RaiGuy said:
Yup, and Kushner has been talking with developers to build beachfront resorts in Gaza for months.
This was Israel’s goal from the start. Demolish and depopulate Gaza to build settlements and access the natural gas underneath it. I’ve been saying this from the start that it was never about eliminating Hamas.
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I'd say it was both for Israel and the Trump grift machine. Two birds, one stone.
 
RaiGuy said:
Those people did not affect the outcome nor were they the reason she lost. Even if all of them voted for Harris, she would have still lost.
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Their protests across dozens of college campuses did far more damage than their lost votes. Now they get to reap what they sowed and unfortunately, the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank will bear the brunt of their foolishness.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Their protests across dozens of college campuses did far more damage than their lost votes. Now they get to reap what they sowed and unfortunately, the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank will bear the brunt of their foolishness.
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So they shouldn't have protested because the protests hurt democrats? is that your argument?
 
Calheel said:
So they shouldn't have protested because the protests hurt democrats? is that your argument?
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That is their argument, unfortunately. And why it’s not worth engaging anyone who tut-tuts college protestors. Why blame the Biden admin when you can blame a blue haired college kid?
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Their protests across dozens of college campuses did far more damage than their lost votes. Now they get to reap what they sowed and unfortunately, the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank will bear the brunt of their foolishness.
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And they will the next time as well. At some point the palestinians are going to have to reject hamas. Don't take my comments to imply that israel is pure in this fight. But the status quo isn't an option and if the palestinians don't want another repeat, they will have to drive change on their side.
 
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