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Oval4 said:
The term ethnostate has origins in a white supremacist book (just like how David Duke coined “Zios”) and unsurprisingly both of these terms are thrown around in tankie/leftist circles all the time when it comes to Israel. Almost like they’re drawn from the same antisemitic sources.
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You’re fully unmasked. These tired arguments aren’t convincing anyone anymore. It’s not antisemitic to say that democracy is not possible in a state that only grants full citizenship to Jews.
 
Oval4 said:
Hamas defines children as anyone under 18 and does not differentiate between combatants and civilians in their casualty counting (there are plenty of pictures that show young teenage men training in their brigades). Add on to that the fact that they lie, about everything, all the time, there’s absolutely no way to know what they’re saying is accurate.
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You disagree that thousands of children have been killed in this conflict?
 
Paine said:
You’re fully unmasked. These tired arguments aren’t convincing anyone anymore. It’s not antisemitic to say that democracy is not possible in a state that only grants full citizenship to Jews.
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Fully unmasked on what? Calling out the fact that white supremacist rhetoric has infiltrated leftist spaces? The term ethnostate was literally created by a writer called Wilmot Robertson who was a proud white nationalist.


You’re also just wrong that only Jews are granted full citizenship.
 
God bless all these stupid mindless organized religions for the emotionally crippled easily controlled humanoids....they are all conditioned into kids based upon geography and have caused so much harm and hatred to humanity for centuries
 
Oval4 said:
Fully unmasked on what? Calling out the fact that white supremacist rhetoric has infiltrated leftist spaces? The term ethnostate was literally created by a writer called Wilmot Robertson who was a proud white nationalist.


You’re also just wrong that only Jews are granted full citizenship.
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You’d be saying that Blacks in America had full citizenship after Reconstruction if you were alive back then.

That’s what’s been unmasked: your defense of an apartheid regime that is antithetical to democracy. You can spare me the bullshit about the term ethnostate while Netanyahu and the Likud actively court Nazi parties in Europe for support. Fuck off.
 
Oval4 said:
The term ethnostate has origins in a white supremacist book (just like how David Duke coined “Zios”) and unsurprisingly both of these terms are thrown around in tankie/leftist circles all the time when it comes to Israel. Almost like they’re drawn from the same antisemitic sources.
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The fact that a term was invented by a bad person doesn't mean the term is itself bad or flawed. If we are going to start throwing out all ideas or terms coined by white supremacists, we're going to lose a lot of knowledge. In fairness, that's what the left likes to do.

But for most of us, the origin of a term doesn't control its subsequent meaning. The overall history of the language matters.

Also, there's an important analogy (close and apt) to the doctrine of independent discovery in copyright law. You don't infringe a copyright if you've never seen the original (to simplify a more complex concept). That makes sense. I'm 100% positive that no leftists read Wilmot Robinson. I've never even heard of him, and I'm pretty clued in. It's not as if "ethnostate" is some unique term that nobody would come up with on their own. Compare to terms like "cookies" to describe software features; that's highly idiosyncratic and there's little chance someone might duplicate that themselves.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Amazing that the usual suspects are still JCDing for Hamas here after they literally filmed themselves celebrating the deaths of infants.
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Who is JCDing for Hamas? Who has ever JCDed for Hamas. Saying Israel is as bad -- based on, you know, actual facts -- is not remotely the same.

If you are watching UK-Duke, and you can't root for either team because both are detestable, you're not taking a position against either team. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.
 
It appears that it's the IDF that is now pushing hard to keep the Russians in Northwest Syria as a counterweight to the Turks. The IDF needs the Druze-Kurd axis as a lever against HTS as well.
 
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