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Israel accepts a US proposal for a temporary Gaza ceasefire and Hamas gives a cool response​


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Israel accepts a US proposal for a temporary Gaza ceasefire and Hamas gives a cool response

The White House says Israel has accepted a new U.S. proposal for a temporary ceasefire with Hamas. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Thursday said special envoy Steve Witkoff and President Donald Trump submitted a ceasefire proposal that Israel has "backed and supported."
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“Israel has accepted a new U.S. proposal for a temporary ceasefire with Hamas, the White House said Thursday.

… Hamas officials gave the Israeli-approved draft a cool response, but said they wanted to study the proposal more closely before giving a formal answer.

… a Hamas official and an Egyptian official independently confirmed some of the details. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive talks.

They say it calls for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March. Israeli forces would pull back to the positions they held during the ceasefire Israel ended that month.

Hamas would release 10 living hostages and a number of bodies during the 60-day pause in exchange for more than 1,100 Palestinians imprisoned by Israel, including 100 serving long sentences after being convicted of deadly attacks.

Each day, hundreds of trucks carrying food and humanitarian aid would be allowed to enter Gaza, where experts say a nearly three-month Israeli blockade — slightly eased in recent days — has pushed the population to the brink of famine….”
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"They say it calls for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March. Israeli forces would pull back to the positions they held during the ceasefire Israel ended that month."

What a fucking joke. There is no long-term truce with Hamas. They're terrorists whose publicly stated goal to eliminate Israel.

There was a cease fire on 10/6. Who broke it?

If the "long-term" truce is agreed to, who will break it? Gaza or Israel?

Anyone want to take that bet? I'll take Gaza/Hamas and give 10-1 odds.
 
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ZenMode said:
"They say it calls for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March. Israeli forces would pull back to the positions they held during the ceasefire Israel ended that month."

What a fucking joke. There is no long-term truce with Hamas. They're terrorists whose publicly states foalnis to eliminate Israel.

There was a cease fire on 10/6. Who broke it?

If the "long-term" truce is agreed to, who will break it? Gaza or Israel?

Anyone want to take that bet? I'll take Gaza/Hamas and give 10-1 odds.
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I’ll take the bet. $5,000 vs. $50,000?

I’ll let @Rock hold the money. My last offer never got accepted.
 
ZenMode said:
"They say it calls for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March. Israeli forces would pull back to the positions they held during the ceasefire Israel ended that month."

What a fucking joke. There is no long-term truce with Hamas. They're terrorists whose publicly states foalnis to eliminate Israel.

There was a cease fire on 10/6. Who broke it?

If the "long-term" truce is agreed to, who will break it? Gaza or Israel?

Anyone want to take that bet? I'll take Gaza/Hamas and give 10-1 odds.
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Israel violated the last ceasefire hundreds of times before they pulled out. They always do that shit.
So, there was a ceasefire pre Oct 7, right? Then how did hundreds of Palestinians get killed prior to that in 2023? Was there some kind of weird weather event where it rained bullets?
 
RaiGuy said:
Israel violated the last ceasefire hundreds of times before they pulled out. They always do that shit.
So, there was a ceasefire pre Oct 7, right? Then how did hundreds of Palestinians get killed prior to that in 2023? Was there some kind of weird weather event where it rained bullets?
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It actually did rain missiles into Israel, thousands of them, launched from Gaza, all prior to 10/7. Israel is the only country in the world expected to sit by and do nothing while its neighbor launches thousands of missiles at civilians.
 
RaiGuy said:
Israel violated the last ceasefire hundreds of times before they pulled out. They always do that shit.
So, there was a ceasefire pre Oct 7, right? Then how did hundreds of Palestinians get killed prior to that in 2023? Was there some kind of weird weather event where it rained bullets?
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IDF, not responding to an attack by Gaza, attacked and killed hundreds of Palestinians for no reason?

Link?
 
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ZenMode said:
Common factors "CAN" include, not "DO ALWAYS" include.
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Oh the irony. The master of the qualified statement ("it seems to me that perhaps the prescence of X could possibly indicate that the idea I am floating here (but don't really believe myself) quite possibly might be feasible") is putting "can" under a microscope...
 
evrheel said:

Israeli attacks kill dozens in Gaza, including 36 in school-turned-shelter​

www.aljazeera.com

Israeli attacks kill dozens in Gaza, including 36 in school-turned-shelter

Attacks on civilian infrastructure rising during Israel’s ‘intensified’ offensive on battered enclave.
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That's not uprovoked. That's clearly apart of the current war which was started by Hamas on October 7th, 2023.

I'll also note that one of the civilians confirmed that Hamas is using the school to hide and store weapons in:

“We are nothing but defenceless peaceful civilians. We have nothing to do with the fighters and the weapons.”

How concerned is Hamas about civilian lives? Clearly not at all, which is why they hide their weapons and fighters in a fucking schools where innocent civilians are sheltering and, in the same day as this attack, continued to fire into Israel.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military said three projectiles were fired from Gaza towards southern Israel. Two landed inside Gaza and one was intercepted by Israel’s missile defence system, it said.
 
ZenMode said:
That's not uprovoked. That's clearly apart of the current war which was started by Hamas on October 7th, 2023.

I'll also note that one of the civilians confirmed that Hamas is using the school to hide and store weapons in:

“We are nothing but defenceless peaceful civilians. We have nothing to do with the fighters and the weapons.”

How concerned is Hamas about civilian lives? Clearly not at all, which is why they hide their weapons and fighters in a fucking schools where innocent civilians are sheltering and, in the same day as this attack, continued to fire into Israel.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military said three projectiles were fired from Gaza towards southern Israel. Two landed inside Gaza and one was intercepted by Israel’s missile defence system, it said. You should take your act on the road
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Lol Ha ha Ha
ZenMode said:
That's not uprovoked. That's clearly apart of the current war which was started by Hamas on October 7th, 2023.

I'll also note that one of the civilians confirmed that Hamas is using the school to hide and store weapons in:

“We are nothing but defenceless peaceful civilians. We have nothing to do with the fighters and the weapons.”

How concerned is Hamas about civilian lives? Clearly not at all, which is why they hide their weapons and fighters in a fucking schools where innocent civilians are sheltering and, in the same day as this attack, continued to fire into Israel.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military said three projectiles were fired from Gaza towards southern Israel. Two landed inside Gaza and one was intercepted by Israel’s missile defence system, it said.
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What a bunch of shit. You should take your act on the road
 

New U.S. Plan to Pause Gaza War Draws Hamas Criticism​

The militant group wants agreement to include a commitment to halt the fighting​


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“… The agreement calls for Hamas to release 10 of the roughly 20 hostages Israel believes are still alive and the bodies of another 19 within the first week of the deal in exchange for a 60-day cease-fire and the release of Palestinians held by Israel, according to a draft reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

The draft says President Trump would announce the deal if an agreement is reached, and envoy Steve Witkoffwould preside over the talks.

The U.S. said Israel has signed off on the proposal. Hamas has said it is studying it, but Hamas officials have criticized its lack of a commitment to halt the fighting or clarify the withdrawal of Israeli forces….”
 
RaiGuy said:
You think a starving population that is dodging bombs has the ability to do that when one of the world's strongest armies supposedly hasn't been able to do that in 20 months? Yeah, totally makes sense
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I have no clue. I know it doesn’t work when you offer up negotiations and Hamas says “we aren’t sure.”
 
ZenMode said:
You keep claiming I spout off about things I don't know about while you seem to be wholly uninformed about the realities of not only Muslim terrorists in general, but especially Hamas.

You believe, based on generic research, that it's ineffective, yet you likely know, without admitting it, that not regulating Gaza would resort in the death of significantly more Israelis.

Sure. What Israel should do is the "right* thing which would result in mass murder of its people.

I Never said there was. It's just interesting that you have all kinds of things to say, but can't muster even a thought when asked what Israel should do.
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1. I am actually far more informed about the realities of Muslim terrorists than you are. You see, when I first started teaching, I had a thought that maybe we might want to offer a course in sharia finance. It's an interesting field, because the Muslim world bankers have managed to construct a financial system on top of a biblical command that should prevent it: i.e. in sharia, it's illegal to charge interest on a loan. I don't know all that much about the details, but they get around the "interest on a loan" by styling the loan as a repurchase agreement. That's the very brief version but it's more complicated.

[Note: one reason I was interested in the topic was that we had many Saudi grad students at the law school, and I had a good working relationship with them. In fact, one of my students became famous by writing about an idea he and I talked about a bit (it was my idea, of course, as the professor): that a weakness in Saudi financial regulations was the absence of preferred stock, because preferred stock is the way venture capital investments work, and the Saudis were unlikely to attract venture capital without some equivalent financial instrument. I might have been able to forge something of an international reputation out of it, except the Saudis stopped sending their students to the US so my connections were severed.]

So I contacted a professor in the Arab Studies department who had written about sharia and he and I talked. In particular, he was interested in the practice of sharia-compliant money laundering. I was like, "why do money launderers bother to comply with sharia law while breaking secular law, to accomplish ends that violate sharia law," and the answer given was to read his book, which I did not get around to. But in those discussions, I learned quite a bit about how terrorist groups in Pakistan (that was his specialty area) are organized and operate.

2. And again, that's the difference between us. Before I form an opinion, I consult with experts, directly if possible or more commonly through their writings. Since I have not done that, I don't form opinions. You seem to treat that as a character flaw, but in reality it's a character strength. It's why I know so many things -- because I don't let myself be satisfied until I do.

So you are never going to get an answer from me about "what should Israel do." I am proud of not having an answer, because it's a sign that I'm a rational person, humble in the face of truth, and more interested in understanding than shooting off my mouth. Somehow you are proud of being the precise opposite.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
At what point do Palestinians raise up and overthrow Hamas? There were periods of short protest but they sure didn’t last long.
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Very unlikely to happen because the majority support the total destruction of Israel. Even if things continue to get progressively worse in Gaza, I bet most people will blame Israel, not their own government who brought this on them.
 
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