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Israel Hamas War, West Bank, Etc. | Hostilities resume

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RaiGuy said:
In that same 24 hours, 54 Palestinians were killed by the IDF. I never knew the Red Cross killed so many people in a day.
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I'm guessing most were Hamas terrorists, or civilians killed by Hamas terrorists. The people that always seem to get a pass from you.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Curious why you are making wilder and wilder arguments as your points arguments are rebutted.
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None of my points have been rebutted. Rather, the same tired talking points that have been debunked time and time again have simply resurfaced. Hamas gets a pass, every day. We get it.

And that isn't even a wild argument. Hamas has literally said as much. You just keep ignoring it because it doesn't suit your narrative.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I'm guessing most were Hamas terrorists, or civilians killed by Hamas terrorists. The people that always seem to get a pass from you.
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Of course. You blindly label everyone as Hamas or Hamas supporters so they all deserve to die. Every child should be killed too because they’ll just grow up and support Hamas. Your arguments are full of crap.
 
RaiGuy said:
Of course. You blindly label everyone as Hamas or Hamas supporters so they all deserve to die. Every child should be killed too because they’ll just grow up and support Hamas. Your arguments are full of crap.
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There won't be peace in Gaza with Hamas in charge. The sooner people realize that the better. I want what is best for the Palestinians and the Israelis. Hamas wants dead Palestinians. They have screamed this from the rooftops, but some people simply refuse to listen because the bad guys have to be the Jews.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
There won't be peace in Gaza with Hamas in charge. The sooner people realize that the better. I want what is best for the Palestinians and the Israelis. Hamas wants dead Palestinians. They have screamed this from the rooftops, but some people simply refuse to listen because the bad guys have to be the Jews.
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Don’t act like you care about Palestinians. You’ve been regurgitating Israeli propaganda and victim blaming the Palestinians. You can’t admit that Netanyahu and his cronies are evil and that the IDF commits war crimes as bad as Hamas does. All you do is defend the terrorist state. How much are they paying you to be their spokesman?
 
RaiGuy said:
Don’t act like you care about Palestinians. You’ve been regurgitating Israeli propaganda and victim blaming the Palestinians. You can’t admit that Netanyahu and his cronies are evil and that the IDF commits war crimes as bad as Hamas does. All you do is defend the terrorist state. How much are they paying you to be their spokesman?
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I can get paid to be their spokesman? Can you show me where I can sign up for this?
I don't blame the Palestinians at all. I blame Hamas. I always have. You don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two. You can't see how the Palestinian civilians are being used by Hamas.

Hamas is not good for the Palestinians. Hamas's leaders live in luxury condos and drive cars that cost $300k while boasting about how they are "martyring" Palestinian children in Gaza. Hamas is evil. This war will not end until Hamas is no longer in power in Gaza.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
There won't be peace in Gaza with Hamas in charge. The sooner people realize that the better. I want what is best for the Palestinians and the Israelis. Hamas wants dead Palestinians. They have screamed this from the rooftops, but some people simply refuse to listen because the bad guys have to be the Jews.
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i thought i could smell an antisemitism accusation coming, you danced around it a bit in a previous post.

dishonest, pathetic and inappropriate.
 
Both Hamas and Bibi have to end the war.

Unfortunately, continued war (that will spread) is in their personal best interest.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I can get paid to be their spokesman? Can you show me where I can sign up for this?
I don't blame the Palestinians at all. I blame Hamas. I always have. You don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two. You can't see how the Palestinian civilians are being used by Hamas.

Hamas is not good for the Palestinians. Hamas's leaders live in luxury condos and drive cars that cost $300k while boasting about how they are "martyring" Palestinian children in Gaza. Hamas is evil. This war will not end until Hamas is no longer in power in Gaza.
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Your trying to lecture a Palestinian about Palestinians? smh
I know more about this situation than you’ll ever know. I don’t mean that as an insult. Being Palestinian, this is something that you deal with every day. My whole life, just me telling someone I am Palestinian-American starts a political conversation and many times I have had to defend my existence.
I don’t need someone like you lecturing me about what is good for Palestinians.
 
RaiGuy said:
Your trying to lecture a Palestinian about Palestinians? smh
I know more about this situation than you’ll ever know. I don’t mean that as an insult. Being Palestinian, this is something that you deal with every day. My whole life, just me telling someone I am Palestinian-American starts a political conversation and many times I have had to defend my existence.
I don’t need someone like you lecturing me about what is good for Palestinians.
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You don't see how that might make you prone to bias? And I'd say the same thing to an Israeli.

Hamas is the problem here. Hamas is the enemy, not Palestinians. I've said this over and over again.
 
4thgenheel said:
i thought i could smell an antisemitism accusation coming, you danced around it a bit in a previous post.

dishonest, pathetic and inappropriate.
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What is pathetic is refusing to condemn a terrorist group (Hamas) that has stated openly that it wants to kill as many Palestinians as possible. There's no other logical explanation for simply closing one's eyes to Hamas's atrocities and trying to blame Israel for its own people getting kidnapped and massacred.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
What is pathetic is refusing to condemn a terrorist group (Hamas) that has stated openly that it wants to kill as many Palestinians as possible. There's no other logical explanation for simply closing one's eyes to Hamas's atrocities and trying to blame Israel for its own people getting kidnapped and massacred.
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this is dishonest BS. no one is refusing to condemn hamas. people have acknowledged their barbarism all over this thread and on the old board.

criticizing israel or the idf =/= antisemitism.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
You don't see how that might make you prone to bias? And I'd say the same thing to an Israeli.

Hamas is the problem here. Hamas is the enemy, not Palestinians. I've said this over and over again.
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You sound like you didn't start following what was happening there until Oct 7th. Either that, or you choose to ignore one side of the situation.
You also keep deflecting by saying that we don't condemn Hamas, but you never condemn Israel for it's war crimes. You just justify it by saying that its part of war and that the Palestinians asked for it by voting in Hamas when half the population wasn't even alive when that vote happened.
 
RaiGuy said:
You sound like you didn't start following what was happening there until Oct 7th. Either that, or you choose to ignore one side of the situation.
You also keep deflecting by saying that we don't condemn Hamas, but you never condemn Israel for it's war crimes. You just justify it by saying that its part of war and that the Palestinians asked for it by voting in Hamas when half the population wasn't even alive when that vote happened.
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Also didn’t Hamas get like 30% of the vote in an election split by dozens of parties?
 
HeelInTheOzarks said:
Also didn’t Hamas get like 30% of the vote in an election split by dozens of parties?
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Yeah, and also, at the time, they had said they were dropping their military wing. They were also the ones that were cleaning up the corruption from the previous governing party. Basically, the people that voted for them was because of the changes they were seeing, rather than because they were supporting their military agenda.
 
RaiGuy said:
You sound like you didn't start following what was happening there until Oct 7th. Either that, or you choose to ignore one side of the situation.
You also keep deflecting by saying that we don't condemn Hamas, but you never condemn Israel for it's war crimes. You just justify it by saying that its part of war and that the Palestinians asked for it by voting in Hamas when half the population wasn't even alive when that vote happened.
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I have condemned Israel for its war crimes, on this very board. The difference is that they may be largely ignored (which is wrong) but they are not official IDF policy. Hamas’s only strategy is terror. They don’t ignore brutality against civilians…they encourage and live by it. The IDF is a military and still has standards…there have been numerous instances of IDF soldiers and medics rescuing Palestinian civilians. When was the last time a Hamas fighter rescued an Israeli?

Also, while dead is dead, there is a difference between targeting a terrorist and killing 10 civilians who are located in the building with the terrorist and intentionally targeting civilians. One is collateral damage and is an unfortunate consequence of warfare (and always has been) while the other is simply terrorism.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I have condemned Israel for its war crimes, on this very board. The difference is that they may be largely ignored (which is wrong) but they are not official IDF policy. Hamas’s only strategy is terror. They don’t ignore brutality against civilians…they encourage and live by it. The IDF is a military and still has standards…there have been numerous instances of IDF soldiers and medics rescuing Palestinian civilians. When was the last time a Hamas fighter rescued an Israeli?

Also, while dead is dead, there is a difference between targeting a terrorist and killing 10 civilians who are located in the building with the terrorist and intentionally targeting civilians. One is collateral damage and is an unfortunate consequence of warfare (and always has been) while the other is simply terrorism.
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If you believe all of that, then you really don't know what's going on. Do some research. I am not going to waste my time and repeat things I have said a million times.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
Just a few pages back you had a poster suggesting that the 6 hostages were somehow killed by Israel. In the 32 pages of this thread, I'd wager 90% of the comments are simply bashing Israel.
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I was that poster, and I didn't suggest anything of the sort. Reading comprehension is your responsibility, not mine. Also, 90% of the comments, huh? Is this going to go better or worse than the "deaths would be 100x-1000x higher if not for Israeli restraint" from that other math-illiterate poster?
 
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