Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

RaiGuy said:
You should listen to what Netanyahu and his cronies say and see what they do. Actions speak louder than charters.
Israel is the one that has attacked neighboring countries. Iran hasn't. Yet for Israel, it is justifiable to do that because it is self-defense. Evidently, other countries aren't allowed to defend themselves against Israel.
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I think the Netanyahu government is out of control but take issue with the suggestion that Iran hasn’t attacked other countries. Iran operates through proxies who have attacked US forces and others and Iran is providing weapons to Russia to attack Ukraine. The Iranian regime is a pariah state that is oppressing its own people — and I get that the United States has a lot to answer for how that came about.

[Didn't mean to pile on — in the time it took me to finish and post this it looks like the point was already made]
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
They aren’t negotiating in good faith. Hamas said they were negotiating about the hostages and they missed deadline after deadline. That’s not really negotiating.

If Iran has a nuclear weapon, Israel has no leverage at all. This is a great thing. Iran not having this weapon is a great thing. It’s not good. It’s great.
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That's not true. Hamas was following the ceasefire deadline, but Israel was the one that broke the ceasefire hundreds of times and then decided they didn't want to have it anymore.

And is it a great thing that Israel has a nuclear weapons with an unhinged leader in charge?
 
RaiGuy said:
You refuse to acknowledge what Israel has been doing behind the scenes to its surroundings states for decades. You also don't think the occupation and treatment of Palestinians may have something to do with that? It's not like Israel is some peaceful country that is being threatened for the hell of it. They aren't the victim.
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It boils down to who you do see as the initiator and who is the one who has to respond. You think the Middle Eastern countries Israel attacks are responding to Israel. Most of the civilized world understands Israel has to be aggressive to stay alive. They absolutely push the envelope but it’s warranted.
 
RaiGuy said:
That's not true. Hamas was following the ceasefire deadline, but Israel was the one that broke the ceasefire hundreds of times and then decided they didn't want to have it anymore.

And is it a great thing that Israel has a nuclear weapons with an unhinged leader in charge?
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The world is complex and there are bad people everywhere. I’m an American. We have to choose sides. The vast majority of the Muslim world doesn’t like/trust the US. Israel would never harm the US. It’s pretty simply for most humans. What’s best for me and my safety? Siding with Israel is a clear answer for most Americans. One side hates me. One side doesn’t.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
It boils down to who you do see as the initiator and who is the one who has to respond. You think the Middle Eastern countries Israel attacks are responding to Israel. Most of the civilized world understands Israel has to be aggressive to stay alive. They absolutely push the envelope but it’s warranted.
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Why is it warranted? If Russia continues to occupy Ukraine and mistreat the Ukrainians, they are justified to attack neighboring countries that oppose what they are doing?
 
RaiGuy said:
Why is it warranted? If Russia continues to occupy Ukraine and mistreat the Ukrainians, they are justified to attack neighboring countries that oppose what they are doing?
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You are unhinged and clearly your bias is blinding you if you think Russia and Israel are the same.
 
Callatoroy said:
Israel wasn't looking for a reason. Iran gave them the reason. Under no circumstances, NONE, could Israel and the US allow Iran to get a nuke. This was absolutely required. The fact that the US didn't have to play an active role is a plus.
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Remind me why there's no international regulatory oversight of the Iranian nuclear program to prevent them developing weapons.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The world is complex and there are bad people everywhere. I’m an American. We have to choose sides. The vast majority of the Muslim world doesn’t like/trust the US. Israel would never harm the US. It’s pretty simply for most humans. What’s best for me and my safety? Siding with Israel is a clear answer for most Americans. One side hates me. One side doesn’t.
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Why do you think one side hates you? Do you think its because we have been messing up their countries for decades?
Also, Israel does not care for us. They just use us and we're fine with it. Israel doesn't have our backs. Israel is also a reason why countries over there do not like us.
 
RaiGuy said:
You should listen to what Netanyahu and his cronies say and see what they do. Actions speak louder than charters.
Israel is the one that has attacked neighboring countries. Iran hasn't. Yet for Israel, it is justifiable to do that because it is self-defense. Evidently, other countries aren't allowed to defend themselves against Israel.
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Iran has attacked Israel through its proxies, particularly Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran has stated that it wants Israel destroyed and was secretly and illegally building nuclear weapons. That is not something Israel can let stand if it wants to survive.
 
RaiGuy said:
Why do you think one side hates you? Do you think its because we have been messing up their countries for decades?
Also, Israel does not care for us. They just use us and we're fine with it. Israel doesn't have our backs. Israel is also a reason why countries over there do not like us.
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Ok. Again - we are the superpower in the world. We don’t have the luxury to sit out global conflicts on this scale. We have to choose a side. I am fine with choosing the side that values women, gays, democracy, etc.
 
RaiGuy said:
You refuse to acknowledge what Israel has been doing behind the scenes to its surroundings states for decades. You also don't think the occupation and treatment of Palestinians may have something to do with that? It's not like Israel is some peaceful country that is being threatened for the hell of it. They aren't the victim.
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One side is rational. The other side is irrational. So you understand who is who, Iran is the irrational actor in this situation. Rational doesn't mean perfect or completely innocent. But it does mean not fucking nuts which is what Iran is.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Which Ukranian actions do you think equate to Hamas's actions on 10/7?
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lol, there is history before 10/7. This would be akin to Russia occupying Ukraine in 1948 and treating them like shit since then and continually occupying them.
 
RaiGuy said:
lol, there is history before 10/7. This would be akin to Russia occupying Ukraine in 1948 and treating them like shit since then and continually occupying them.
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And if the Ukranians launched thousands of missiles at Moscow and then went on a murderous rampage killing every Russian man, woman, and child they could find to the tune of over a thousand dead in a matter of hours, I don't think many people would have a problem with Russia invading.
 
RaiGuy said:
What about human rights? Or does that not count? One country, that you are supporting, is starving over a million people. But that's cool because the ones that are being starved don't matter to you.
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Palestinians and Iranians kill people for being gay. They treat their women like property. Not really into that side.
 
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