Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

[superrific]

What an elitist post, attempting to judge someone's intelligence by their occupation. I used to watch a show called South Park. I'm 100% positive that this show is beneath someone of your stature and education, so I'll summarize an episode that they did about people like you. Basically, the people they depicted got their jollies off by farting into a wine glass and then inhaling their own scent. This sounds like an activity that you might enjoy.

Dude. You completely misinterpreted what I said. I was specifically not judging anyone's intelligence by their occupation. Are you, or are you not acquainted with the work of anti-colonialist sociologist/cultural theorist Edward Said? I doubt you are. Not because you're not intelligent; rather, because you're not a humanities scholar.

Statistically speaking, the odds of someone having the academic ability to be a law professor (not counting the trade law schools) are extremely long. That's a fact. And all that academic ability has saved zero lives. I'm guessing you have saved a positive number of lives. Isn't that important? I think it's important. "Intelligence" is a vastly overrated ability/trait. It's prestigious but not nearly important as some people like to pretend. It's useful. So is work ethic, and bravery, and gumption, and "social intelligence" -- i.e. people skills -- to name a few. Not all basketball players can be Vince Carter. Some of them can aspire to be Tyler Hansbrough, though few have the personality traits to get there. Wouldn't you want both of them on your team?

 

[lawtig02]

As an0maly graciously pointed out, Iran was "less than a week" from being able to develop a nuclear weapon. You can't build a nuclear weapon in your grandma's garage. It is a tremendously complicated labor and resource-intensive effort, which is why there are only a handful of countries that have them. Taking out a nuclear enrichment facility that took many many years to build is a significant setback for Iran's nuclear program and it will take them some time to recover from it. There is a good chance that they will never be able to recover from these setbacks. That's why they built this facility literally inside of a mountain....they didn't want anything to happen to it.

One of the primary and most annoying bad faith argumentation tactics is to assume all disputed or uncertain facts in your favor, and then refuse to acknowledge the possibility that some or all of those facts may not be what you have assumed them to be. You do that over and over and over again on this board, and it’s why threads are almost always derailed when you get involved.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

I now confirm you are a essentially a troll, and will not respond to you again. The use of "million" by you was idiotic. Right in your quote it says "not sufficient."

From the article, and intentionally ignored by you:

But the United States and Israel must acknowledge that Fordow is not the only pathway for an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Iran may have other centrifuges available, including at secret sites, and probably already at work. On June 12, Iran said that it would retaliate for the IAEA Board of Governors’ adoption of a resolution finding Iran in noncompliance with its treaty obligations by unveiling another secret “invulnerable” enrichment facility. Iran could also have a stock of additional centrifuges that it could either rapidly install or use, with enriched uranium from other parts of the country serving as feedstock. Destroying or rendering Fordow inoperable would not preclude Iran from using these alternative sites to potentially produce one or several nuclear weapons.

The premise of your argument holds that the Fordow strike occurs in a vacuum. As I'm sure you are aware, it doesn't. It was simply one component of a multifaceted attack on Iran's nuclear program, which included strikes not only on other nuclear facilities but also on its leading nuclear scientists. Israel and the US are aware that Fordow is not the only pathway. That's why they have been taking out the other pathways as well. Thank you for the link, it has been most useful.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

What if I told you destroying their facilities is not the only way to achieve peace?

I'm not defending Trump backing out of the previous agreement. I wish he hadn't done that. But he did, and here we are.

 

[farce©]

Au contraire. My opponents here would have us believe that the US should simply ship a few nuclear-laden ICBMs to Iran, because what is it going to hurt?

And nonsense like this is why you have no credibility, even when people agree with you.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

One of the primary and most annoying bad faith argumentation tactics is to assume all disputed or uncertain facts in your favor, and then refuse to acknowledge the possibility that some or all of those facts may not be what you have assumed them to be. You do that over and over and over again on this board, and it’s why threads are almost always derailed when you get involved.

Which of these facts are uncertain, again?

 

[ZZLPHeels]

And nonsense like this is why you have no credibility, even when peel agree with you.

Agree with me or not, when I'm right I'm right and when I'm wrong I'm wrong. I have a pretty good hunch that I'm right about this one. You are more than welcome to hide in your basement waiting for WWIII, though.

 

[superrific]

What an elitist post, attempting to judge someone's intelligence by their occupation. I used to watch a show called South Park. I'm 100% positive that this show is beneath someone of your stature and education, so I'll summarize an episode that they did about people like you. Basically, the people they depicted got their jollies off by farting into a wine glass and then inhaling their own scent. This sounds like an activity that you might enjoy.

I should add that with this level of hostility from you -- completely unmerited and frankly just weird -- I'm unlikely to come to your defense in the future.

If you think that portrayal is remotely close to the mark, then a) you don't understand me at all; b) you have an insecurity complex; and c) you have almost no conception of the nature of higher education.

Your enemies are not the academic "elites." They are the actual elites -- i.e. the billionaires who are trying to screw working folks at every turn. The academic "elites" are generally speaking your allies. If not for academics, your pay would be half of what it is today, because you wouldn't have collective representation. Your equipment would be horribly unsafe. Building codes would be 1960s levels. Your taxes would be much higher.

 

[superrific]

Agree with me or not, when I'm right I'm right and when I'm wrong I'm wrong. I have a pretty good hunch that I'm right about this one. You are more than welcome to hide in your basement waiting for WWIII, though.

Wait, who is the paranoiac here? The person who fears the type of retaliation that Iran absolutely could do because it's shown time and again that it can? Or the person who fears the prospect of Iran doing something that has never been done before; that they are incapable of doing; and would be suicidal for them.

Which of these events is more likely? What does your gut tell you about that? By the way, everyone has a hunch that they are right. That's why they hold the position they do. Most hunches, like most people, are wrong.

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

I trust the US and other intelligence over Netanyahu, that has been lying about it for 30 years. Netanyahu’s evidence is “trust me, bro”

I think that’s fair. I do think there are three actors in this (Iran, Israel and the US). All said that Iran was close to a bomb.

 

[lawtig02]

Which of these facts are uncertain, again?

Among many others you’ve advanced on this thread —

1. We don’t know how far Iran was from a bomb.
2. We don’t know what the bombs actually did.
3. We don’t know what impact the bombs will have on Iran’s nuclear program.
4. We don’t know what Iran will do in response.
5. We don’t know what we will do in response to Iran’s response.

 

[superrific]

We needed to bomb them because there was no other way to take out this specific nuclear facility. It isn't a difficult point to understand. Iran's weakness made this a no-brainer....if they were stronger, they would actually be able to retaliate militarily in a significant manner. Right now, they can't.

All right. How long do you think Iran will take to get over this? In five years, when they rebuild their military (remember -- that's your premise, not mine), it will have blown over? You really think that?

It will have blown over for you. Iran is going to be seeking to retaliate for this for a generation, or a decade at least.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Wait, is this true? Who the hell is this guy?

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Dude. You completely misinterpreted what I said. I was specifically not judging anyone's intelligence by their occupation. Are you, or are you not acquainted with the work of anti-colonialist sociologist/cultural theorist Edward Said? I doubt you are. Not because you're not intelligent; rather, because you're not a humanities scholar.

Statistically speaking, the odds of someone having the academic ability to be a law professor (not counting the trade law schools) are extremely long. That's a fact. And all that academic ability has saved zero lives. I'm guessing you have saved a positive number of lives. Isn't that important? I think it's important. "Intelligence" is a vastly overrated ability/trait. It's prestigious but not nearly important as some people like to pretend. It's useful. So is work ethic, and bravery, and gumption, and "social intelligence" -- i.e. people skills -- to name a few. Not all basketball players can be Vince Carter. Some of them can aspire to be Tyler Hansbrough, though few have the personality traits to get there. Wouldn't you want both of them on your team?

You have to learn that just because you can say something a certain way doesn't mean that you should. You may be 100% correct in something, but if you say it the way you want to say it you can come across as insulting. For example, if you are a physician and you have a patient who is in their 90s, you shouldn't naturally assume that they have no concept about how the internet works or how to use a smartphone. Statistically speaking, you might be correct in assuming that people of that age are on average not as familiar with that technology as a 20 year-old, but if you come into the exam room and say, "Listen here, there is a great new fangled moving picture device that you can hold in your hand called a cell phone", you are going to insult a good number of people.

 

[Bobfripp]

Wait, is this true? Who the hell is this guy?

He looks menacing though, straight from Central Casting.

 

[farce©]

Agree with me or not, when I'm right I'm right and when I'm wrong I'm wrong. I have a pretty good hunch that I'm right about this one. You are more than welcome to hide in your basement waiting for WWIII, though.

You most certainly are not right when you claim posters here "believe that the US should simply ship a few nuclear-laden ICBMs to Iran." That is called a lie, and your entire posting history reinforces that you are generally full of shit.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

As an0maly graciously pointed out, Iran was "less than a week" from being able to develop a nuclear weapon. You can't build a nuclear weapon in your grandma's garage. It is a tremendously complicated labor and resource-intensive effort, which is why there are only a handful of countries that have them. Taking out a nuclear enrichment facility that took many many years to build is a significant setback for Iran's nuclear program and it will take them some time to recover from it. There is a good chance that they will never be able to recover from these setbacks. That's why they built this facility literally inside of a mountain....they didn't want anything to happen to it.

That is simply not true. People have been saying for at least 25 years that Iran is "close" to getting a nuke, with no real evidence to that effect. As someone else posted yesterday, Netanyahu said 13 years ago that Iran was very close to having a nuke, which was obviously not true. By your own posts you stated that Israel had significantly set back Iran's attempts to build a bomb with their own recent attacks, and other posts have shown your statement that they'll "never be able to recover" from this is false. Your arguments about Iran being a paper tiger and not a threat to anyone continue to undermine your point that we needed to attack, but I am sure you will continue to defend this bombing no matter how much evidence is presented to you otherwise, as you appear to be oblivious to the evidence and points that everyone else is making.

 

[superrific]

It is a tremendously complicated labor and resource-intensive effort, which is why there are only a handful of countries that have them.

Out of curiosity, what do you know about nuclear physics to make you confident in this claim? It's actually not tremendously complicated, which is why we were able to develop one in the 1940s, when nuclear physics was in its infancy and we didn't even really understand how it worked.

It just takes a while to enrich the uranium. The process is not particularly complicated.

 

[Duke Mu]

We have interests all over the globe, and the spasmodic and entrenched tariff ploy and unilateral bombing ploy only makes the US weaker everywhere else. China remains the most important global adversary, and yesterday was another great day for Xi and China since Trump took office. And a bad day for Taiwan, SK, etc.

We're huge, drunk, and untrustworthy.

 

[nycfan]