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Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

It's history repeating itself. Netanyahu was a big reason of the WMD weapons myth in Iraq when he claimed that Saddam was close to having a nuclear weapon and WMD. The real reason is he wants regime changes in those countries. While a regime change is good/needed for Iran, this is not the way the people want it. Same thing that happened to Iraq, Syria, and Libya. People don't want a foreign country involved in that.
As much as many of us hate Trump, we don't want China coming in and liberating us from him lol
 
RaiGuy said:
It's history repeating itself. Netanyahu was a big reason of the WMD weapons myth in Iraq when he claimed that Saddam was close to having a nuclear weapon and WMD. The real reason is he wants regime changes in those countries. While a regime change is good/needed for Iran, this is not the way the people want it. Same thing that happened to Iraq, Syria, and Libya. People don't want a foreign country involved in that.
As much as many of us hate Trump, we don't want China coming in and liberating us from him lol
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Trump won the election. America gets what they deserve. Your comparison doesn’t make sense. That’s why I always have issue with Palestine. They chose Hamas and even now support them.
 
I know nothing about enriching nuclear material.

I’m curious what happens after Israel or the US (or others) “destroys” an enrichment facility. I’m pretty certain the uranium and/or plutonium isn’t destroyed. It’s the ability to process and enrich the materials that is damaged or destroyed.

So, we have a damaged/destroyed facility housing uranium/plutonium and possibly other highly radioactive materials.

Who guards these facilities?

How difficult is it to take/steal highly radioactive materials from one of these sites and build a dirty bomb?
 
Zoo_View said:
I know nothing about enriching nuclear material.

I’m curious what happens after Israel or the US (or others) “destroys” an enrichment facility. I’m pretty certain the uranium and/or plutonium isn’t destroyed. It’s the ability to process and enrich the materials that is damaged or destroyed.

So, we have a damaged/destroyed facility housing uranium/plutonium and possibly other highly radioactive materials.

Who guards these facilities?

How difficult is it to take/steal highly radioactive materials from one of these sites and build a dirty bomb?
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These are good questions I had even thought about. The world should have probably never let Iran get this far. Now every option is a mess.
 
RaiGuy said:
It's history repeating itself. Netanyahu was a big reason of the WMD weapons myth in Iraq when he claimed that Saddam was close to having a nuclear weapon and WMD. The real reason is he wants regime changes in those countries. While a regime change is good/needed for Iran, this is not the way the people want it. Same thing that happened to Iraq, Syria, and Libya. People don't want a foreign country involved in that.
As much as many of us hate Trump, we don't want China coming in and liberating us from him lol
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100. Atop Bin Laden's reasons for targeting the US was simply our presence in the middle east and our support for Israel. Our involvement would just supercharge that sentiment.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Trump won the election. America gets what they deserve. Your comparison doesn’t make sense. That’s why I always have issue with Palestine. They chose Hamas and even now support them.
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Hamas was elected before half the current population of Gaza was even born. There haven't been elections since, and Hamas changed what they were from when they were elected. They basically won because of their humanitarian efforts and because the opposing party was corrupt and making things worse in Gaza. Hamas had promised to focus on politics. After they were elected, Israel started the blockade and didn't give a chance to see if they would keep their word. (note again for the dumbasses out there, i am not defending Hamas). Fast forward nearly 20 years, and they are still in charge in part because they have been funded by Netanyahu and because Israel has blocked any elections from happening again. Also note, it was Israel that helped Hamas form in the late 80's anyways. So, the last thing Palestinians want is Israel dictating who is in charge of them. They hate Israel more than they hate Hamas.

My Trump portion was an analogy for people here that are against him and want change, they would want to do it politically, and not through the interference of a foreign government. That was my point with that.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
It sounds like Iran has been set back 2-3 years now. The question is does the US go in and basically make it more like 5-10.
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Pros: Kick the can down the road "5-10 yrs", MAYBE there is a regime change but nation building rarely works.
Cons: Potential world war now (suppose China/Russia/Turkey/Egypt get dragged in), at a minimum attacks on US bases in middle east. Potential death for more Iranian civilians. Crippling the energy infrastructure for innocent Iranian civilians. Expensive. Higher costs due to oil and canal disruptions. Piss off the middle-east other than Israel. Hurt our reputation regarding diplomacy. War crimes (assassination)

They're already weakened, so there's a chance regime change happens without our big bomb and involvement. So i don't see the pros outweighing the cons.
 
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Zoo_View said:
I know nothing about enriching nuclear material.

I’m curious what happens after Israel or the US (or others) “destroys” an enrichment facility. I’m pretty certain the uranium and/or plutonium isn’t destroyed. It’s the ability to process and enrich the materials that is damaged or destroyed.

So, we have a damaged/destroyed facility housing uranium/plutonium and possibly other highly radioactive materials.

Who guards these facilities?

How difficult is it to take/steal highly radioactive materials from one of these sites and build a dirty bomb?
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I really don’t want boots on the ground or an occupation , but I feel the only answer to your question is invasion/inspection of all Iranian nuclear sites/labs/facilities/ etc. To just drop a bomb on it and let it cave in on itself, you don’t really know what was there, if it’s still there, or if it got moved sold given to someone else. So if it must be done do it, but when it’s over get the hell out and let the Iranian people figure out their own government. Problem with this view is, if Israel/US isn’t influencing them Russia China or someone else is . In a perfect world Iranians would be in a vaccum to figure it out, but wish in one hand..
 
gregh1 said:
Pros: Kick the can down the road "5-10 yrs", MAYBE there is a regime change but nation building rarely works.
Cons: Potential world war now (suppose China/Russia/Turkey/Egypt get dragged in), at a minimum attacks on US bases in middle east. Potential death for more Iranian civilians. Crippling the energy infrastructure for innocent Iranian civilians. Expensive. Higher costs due to oil and canal disruptions. Piss off the middle-east other than Israel. Hurt our reputation regarding diplomacy. War crimes (assassination)

They're already weakened, so there's a chance regime change happens without our big bomb and involvement. So i don't see the pros outweighing the cons.
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This is a well-reasoned post and it's a logical conclusion not to bomb, even if I disagree with said conclusion. It is not an easy call, made more difficult because I do not have faith in the current US or Israeli governments to make the right decisions going forward.

Please permit me to respond with my own pros and cons list:

Pros:
- Kick the can down the road 5 to 10 years
- Make the costs of reinstituting the nuclear program high enough so that the Iranian mullahs don't reinvest. They have other bigger problems right now.
- Create a precedent to provide a disincentive for other countries contemplating their own nuclear weapons programs
- I believe that Fordow is not in a populated area and we can therefore minimize civilian deaths, but I don't know that for a fact.
- Bring the current military action and suffering to a conclusion. If there's no nuclear program, there is no reason for Israel to bomb.

Cons:
- Mission creep. Our mission should be to disable Iran's nuclear program. Yet we risk upping the ante to regime change or additional leadership decapitation, which would be strategic disasters.
- Israel continues their military action because their strategic objective is regime change in which we turn into an active participant.
- A response from China. Currently seems to be unlikely, but I don't what is being communicated behind closed doors.
- If regime change does occur, we have no foreknowledge of what comes next. This hasn't worked out well for us in places like Afghanistan and Libya.
- Direct terror attacks by Iran. I would expect these regardless of what we choose to do, but the reaction may be more severe if we bomb directly.
 
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