JD Vance Catch-all | “we have to destroy the universities in this country”

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I thought this was going to be an editorial by Vance, but no, WSJ takes it upon themselves to swoop in to use an April interview with Vance to re-frame the cat lady comments into a Republican talking point.

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After joining the Senate last year, Vance became one of the most outspoken lawmakers about the decline in U.S. fertility. The total fertility rate—a snapshot of how many children a woman is expected to bear over her lifetime—fell to 1.62 last year, provisional government figures show, the lowest on record, and well below the 2.1 replacement rate needed to keep population steady, absent immigration.

The issue has long been on Vance’s mind.

… [after high cost of parenthood and social isolation/not dating enough] Vance said lower fertility might also be the result of less patriotism. In Israel, which has relatively high fertility, “there’s still a fundamental sense that they love their country, they want their country to keep going. America was always considered by our European friends to be kind of jingoistic back in the 1990s and 2000s. We had pretty healthy fertility rates back then. Now that we’re a little bit more like our European counterparts, much less sort of innately patriotic than we were 20, 30 years ago, our fertility rates have declined.”

… Vance cited several negative consequences to low birthrates.


“If you have kids you’re probably a little bit more willing to take on risk and you’re probably a little bit less willing to do it if you don’t have family,” he said. “There’s all of these very weird and totally underappreciated ways in which it makes our society worse off.”

Vance also said that, while he is strongly antiabortion, that is unrelated to his concerns about fertility, and he doesn’t think access to the procedure is a major cause of declining U.S. fertility, given that other countries with more restrictive abortion laws are seeing sharper declines in childbearing. “I think there is some connection but I think it’s pretty weak,” he said.

… While Vance has studied pronatalist policies in countries including South Korea, France, Hungary and Japan, he said hasn’t yet seen any clear solution to falling fertility. “I’m fascinated by Hungary…because they’re aggressively trying a lot of different things. And I think some of it’s working.” The U.S. should look at lowering income-tax rates on women who have multiple children as Hungary has done, he said.


Greater immigration wasn’t the solution to lower birthrates, Vance said in the April interview with the Journal. One reason is that immigrants’ own fertility tends to resemble that of the native-born. Another is that once the share of a country’s foreign-born population becomes greater than 15%, he said, it spawns a backlash and social division, and also makes assimilation more difficult, he said.

“It’s like the difference between having your own family over for dinner and having strangers come over for dinner,” Vance said.

“It’s nice to have new people come over for dinner. But you need to have some core for other people to assimilate into or I think it totally transforms the nature of your society.” “
 
On Hungary’s birthrate increase policies (from 2023):

“… The parade opened the third, and final, day of the Budapest Demographic Summit — Viktor Orbán's biannual get-together of right-wing thought leaders who gathered to discuss Europe's declining population and falling birth rates.

… the family festival, which featured face painting, carnival games, and a petting zoo, cut a sharp contrast with the siege mentality that pervaded the gathering of politicians and conservative luminaries over the previous two days.

“We live in an era where everything that defines us is under attack,” said Italy’s Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, who channeled the spirit of the summit in an early keynote speech.

“In our view, demography is not just another of the main issues of our nation. It is the issue on which our nation’s future depends,” she said.

As other speakers took to the stage, the list of enemies of the family took on a distinct culture wars flavor. There were the usual suspects: Liberalism, feminism, Marxism; but also smartphones and sex-ed. Woke banking featured in a diatribe from Australian preacher Nick Vujicic, while Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán decried climate change panicas the reason people were having fewer babies.

And there were rallying calls for traditional, married, preferably heterosexual, family units.

“The proper encapsulating structure around the infant are united and combined parents, man and woman," said Canadian psychologist and polemicist Jordan Peterson as he paced up and down the stage in the Budapest Fine Arts Museum's elegant Renaissance Hall. "All alternatives to that are worse … Single people, divorced people, gay people, deviate from that,” he said.

Andreas Kinneging, professor of philosophy at the University of Leiden, continued in the same vein.

“Our task is to figure out what is the role of men and what is the role for women, and which roles best correspond to their respective nature,” said Kinneging, before suggesting his own answer to the question to a taken aback female moderator: “One of them works and one of them takes care of the children.”

Occasionally, the conference strayed onto more substantive territory.…But these moments were few and far between. …”

 
I thought this was going to be an editorial by Vance, but no, WSJ takes it upon themselves to swoop in to use an April interview with Vance to re-frame the cat lady comments into a Republican talking point.

“…
After joining the Senate last year, Vance became one of the most outspoken lawmakers about the decline in U.S. fertility. The total fertility rate—a snapshot of how many children a woman is expected to bear over her lifetime—fell to 1.62 last year, provisional government figures show, the lowest on record, and well below the 2.1 replacement rate needed to keep population steady, absent immigration.

The issue has long been on Vance’s mind.

… [after high cost of parenthood and social isolation/not dating enough] Vance said lower fertility might also be the result of less patriotism. In Israel, which has relatively high fertility, “there’s still a fundamental sense that they love their country, they want their country to keep going. America was always considered by our European friends to be kind of jingoistic back in the 1990s and 2000s. We had pretty healthy fertility rates back then. Now that we’re a little bit more like our European counterparts, much less sort of innately patriotic than we were 20, 30 years ago, our fertility rates have declined.”

… Vance cited several negative consequences to low birthrates.


“If you have kids you’re probably a little bit more willing to take on risk and you’re probably a little bit less willing to do it if you don’t have family,” he said. “There’s all of these very weird and totally underappreciated ways in which it makes our society worse off.”

Vance also said that, while he is strongly antiabortion, that is unrelated to his concerns about fertility, and he doesn’t think access to the procedure is a major cause of declining U.S. fertility, given that other countries with more restrictive abortion laws are seeing sharper declines in childbearing. “I think there is some connection but I think it’s pretty weak,” he said.

… While Vance has studied pronatalist policies in countries including South Korea, France, Hungary and Japan, he said hasn’t yet seen any clear solution to falling fertility. “I’m fascinated by Hungary…because they’re aggressively trying a lot of different things. And I think some of it’s working.” The U.S. should look at lowering income-tax rates on women who have multiple children as Hungary has done, he said.


Greater immigration wasn’t the solution to lower birthrates, Vance said in the April interview with the Journal. One reason is that immigrants’ own fertility tends to resemble that of the native-born. Another is that once the share of a country’s foreign-born population becomes greater than 15%, he said, it spawns a backlash and social division, and also makes assimilation more difficult, he said.

“It’s like the difference between having your own family over for dinner and having strangers come over for dinner,” Vance said.

“It’s nice to have new people come over for dinner. But you need to have some core for other people to assimilate into or I think it totally transforms the nature of your society.” “
Oh, so he's a deep thinking philosopher focused on the macro socio-economic impacts of a failing fecundity rate in a world already overburdened with high carbon footprint babies from 1st world societies.


I thought he just hated cats.

And Democrats. Doesn't seem to care about Republicans without kids.
 
(Cont’d)

“…
On paper at least, Hungary’s results in raising its fertility rate are impressive, and could serve as a lesson for others. The country plows about 5 percent of its GDP into policies to encourage family formation, including tax breaks and low-interest loans for families with children, and free in vitro fertilization (IVF) treatment. Since 2010, when Orbán took power, Hungary’s fertility rate has risen by about 25 percent, going from the lowest in the EU to a bit above the bloc’s average of 1.5 births per woman.

But the actual role of the Hungarian government’s policies in driving this change is an open question. The country was one of the hardest hit by the financial crisis, which may have had a role in depressing births in the period immediately before and after Orbán took power. Furthermore, other countries in the neighborhood have seen similar recoveries, pointing to what may be a regional trend rather than the success of special efforts on the part of the Hungarian government.

Recent data shows fertility rates in Hungary plateauing, or even dipping. That could be a temporary blip. But if it is sustained it will put out of reach Orbán's goal of reaching 2.1 births per woman by 2030, the magic number needed to keep the population stable without immigration. …”
 
Yeah, this is not complicated. Vance, and MAGA by extension, “worry” about childlessness for one reason — they don’t want any justification for additional immigration from Central and South America. They want America to be adequately populated by the white people who are here already. This whole narrative Vance is pushing is just the Great Replacement Theory in sheep’s clothing.
 
So the small government Republicans are now all in on government manipulated social engineering? And their aspirational harbinger is Viktor Orban?

JFC
 
I have no idea what the process is on how hard it would be for Trump to replace Vance on the ticket. But if Trump wants to do it Republican Party bylaws will not stop him from doing so. They would roll over very quickly if the Cheeto wants it.
 

Here's hoping all this talk about how Trump should dump Vance, especially now that dems like Schumer are predicting it, make him stick with him out of pure narcissistic spiteful malice.
I think that's the goal. I don't believe that Schumer, a veteran and shrewd pol, really believes that Trump is going to replace Vance. He's saying this because it will cause the GOP ticket more trouble - if they publicly deny it it will just keep the story in the headlines, because that's how these things work. And Trump will hate it, because he's all about appearances and people (even Democrats and some media) calling your running mate a weirdo and extremist will no doubt infuriate him.
 

Just another sign that the criticisms and mockery by Democrats that the GOP ticket is "weird" are taking hold. This is a clear attempt by the WSJ to try and normalize Vance's statements - "Oh, he's not so strange! His arguments are actually sound and have merit - they're normal! NORMAL!" And I don't think it will work with anyone outside their base, because, well, Trump and Vance are weird.
 
At one point I was registered as a Republican in Ohio so I could vote for John Kasich and against Donald Trump in the 2016 GOP primary (Kasich won.) In Ohio, when you tell the poll worker which party's primary you want to participate in, they register you as a member of that party on the spot and you remain registered as such until you change it. I think that is how I got on the Trump/Vance email list. I did not receive Trump emails before Vance was named to the ticket and now I get them every day, so the Ohio GOP list somehow got incorporated into the Trump/Vance list.

I say all that to preface another creepy email I got from "Future Vice President Vance". Can you believe this shit? It IS weird.

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I say all that to preface another creepy email I got from "Future Vice President Vance". Can you believe this shit? It IS weird.
It's weird because their outreach emails / texts all feign familiarity with you to such an absurd degree that they come across as obviously disingenuous and artificial.

There's likely ~65-70 million votes for Trump, but it's you in particular, Farce, that Trump and Vance will remember... GTFOH

Makes me cringe so hard...
 
At one point I was registered as a Republican in Ohio so I could vote for John Kasich and against Donald Trump in the 2016 GOP primary (Kasich won.) In Ohio, when you tell the poll worker which party's primary you want to participate in, they register you as a member of that party on the spot and you remain registered as such until you change it. I think that is how I got on the Trump/Vance email list. I did not receive Trump emails before Vance was named to the ticket and now I get them every day, so the Ohio GOP list somehow got incorporated into the Trump/Vance list.

I say all that to preface another creepy email I got from "Future Vice President Vance". Can you believe this shit? It IS weird.

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I signed up to attend a Trump rally 2-4 years ago.

Daily I get texts from “Trump” telling me he wants to give me a HUGE gift. Click on the link and the “gift” is the privilege of buying something from the Trump campaign or donating to it.
 
Well, according to that personal email, I am "one of their most patriotic Trump Republicans."

So all you radical left socialists can just go straight to hell! I'm in a new club now!
 

Here's hoping all this talk about how Trump should dump Vance, especially now that dems like Schumer are predicting it, make him stick with him out of pure narcissistic spiteful malice.
Agreed. This is something we DON’T want. Hopefully, Trump doubles down on his bad decision, as he is prone to do.
 
While this reflects poorly on me as a human being, I do find JD Vance's current predicament amusing. Vance degraded himself and all that he allegedly stood for, in order to bow down to and worship St. Donald of Mar-a-Lago. To the utter best of his Ivy League education and military finishing school training, he completely and totally remade himself into a mini-Trump, a fun-house mirror reflection of St. Donald. And now, much as Tammy Faye Baker discovered years ago, when finished, people have recoiled in horror, while mumbling, "Too much!"
 
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