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ā> They're *not* new. Jesus Christ, people are just now paying attention to this? After 2017??
Also the term "woke right" is proof positive that "woke" it's an empty pejorative that means "anything I disagree with."
MAGA/MAHA/TPUSA/Far Right coalition starting to splinter?
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They're *not* new. Jesus Christ, people are just now paying attention to this? After 2017??
Also the term "woke right" is proof positive that "woke" it's an empty pejorative that means "anything I disagree with."
The idiots are winning.The idiots forgot the rules of the game. You can dog whistle away as much as you like (i.e. the majority of the 20th century and the first decade of the 21st). But the moment you allow someone who is willing to say the quiet part out loud into your coalition, you've lost. Period.
The simple fact is that THERE IS NO BOTTOM. Listen, your personal opinion might be that the perfect amount of racism is X amount. But it will never hold the line just there. The awful truth is there is ALWAYS someone next in line who's willing to say ""No, 2X is the correct amount" and of course the mouth breathers will jump on that bandwagon. Then there's someone else in line who wants the attention and power, so they say "no, actually it's 4X"... ad infinitum, ad nauseum. You kind of want to assume that there is some base level of human decency that will set a sort of a floor before we get to mass atrocities. History has show zero evidence for that assumption and consistently disproved it at every turn. Once you get the ball rolling, it's a relatively short trip to mass graves.
Always remember...
You've been warned.
Trump screamed the quiet parts as loudly as he could from the time he created/boosted birtherism to when he came down the escalator ranting about lunatic immigrants to nowā¦..he won the White House twice and the MAGA bigotry is loose and running rampant.
By all appearances, MAGA will rule the GQP post-Trump.
Who is going to stop MAGA? Josh Hawley? Ted Cruz? Little Marco? Susan Collins? Lisa Murkowski?
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āā¦ There is still a narrow window to reverse courseābut itās closing fast. If leadership forces genuine consequencesācutting ties, refusing to give platforms to extremists, reasserting pluralist valuesāthereās a chance to reclaim a version of the party that resists the drift. Not the old GOP, but a less than nazi one.
But the odds are stacked. Too much has already shifted. I hope the forces of decency, inclusion, democratic resilience prevail. I want to see a conservative movement that honors the rule of law again, protects minorities finally, supports dissent, and rejects ethno-religious majoritarianism. Yet Iām not holding my breath. The path ahead leads deeper into illiberal territory than most are ready to acknowledgeāand unless something breaks, the consequences will be severe for our democracy.
Iām not naive. Iām not rooting for Republican victories, theyāve lost the right to govern in my eyes. I just hope for the sake of our country, those who support authoritarianism (all of em) at least push back against outright Nazi-ism.ā
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McConnell pans Heritage Foundation for its defense of Tucker Carlsonās Nick Fuentes interview
āLast I checked, āconservatives should feel no obligationā to carry water for antisemites and apologists for America-hating autocrats,ā the former Senate majority leader said Friday.
Heritage Foundation shakes up staff in wake of Tucker Carlson-Nick Fuentes controversy
Ben Shapiro blasts āintellectual cowardā Tucker Carlson after Nick Fuentes interview
Ted Cruz Issues Stark Rebuke of Tucker Carlson for Nick Fuentes Interview
Dan Crenshaw Joins Ted Cruz in Rebuking Tucker Carlson Over Nick Fuentes Interview
Heritage Foundation Staff Revolt Over Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes
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Yeah, Iāve noted Cruz, McConnell and Crenshaw in this thread or the October Current Events one. Kenzinger credited McConnell and Cruz for their pushback.
It was actually McConnellās decision to wade in that convinced me the back-biting that had been bubbling up in the influencer sphere since Kirkās death really had spread well outside conservative influencer spaces into a broader right wing political fight.
In response to some other comments in the thread, Iām not holding out hope that this will actually do serious damage to the MAGA coalition, but I do think it is informative to watch how this unfolds in terms of the post-Trump direction of the movement.
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Matt Gaetz is a bona fide piece of shit through and through, even for Florida.
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I don't think the fight itself will do damage to the MAGA coalition, but as you noted on the other thread, I think this shows how fragile the coalition is when it doesn't have Trump to rally around. Vance probably has the best chance to hold the coalition together, and I think that's what he's trying to do here. But Vance seems to lack Trump's ability to dog whistle loudly without overtly endorsing the most unsavory parts of his coalition. By wading in to defend the Nazi-loving "kids" running the GOP in various states and refusing to denounce Tucker, Vance has cast his lot with the white nationalist wing of the movement. Trump got close with his Charlottesville and "Proud Boys stand by" comments, but I don't think he would do what Vance has done.
If nothing else, potential candidates from other parts of the coalition now have some really damaging clips to use against Vance. And I don't think it's likely Vance or anyone else will be as immune from accountability for his prior statements as Trump has been.
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"everything is fiiiiiineee, you guys!!!!! only half of the right are nazi's or nazi apologists/platformers!!!!"
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The GOP isn't "flirting with extremist". The party has been extremist since it platformed and supported Trump in 2015.
The GOP is currently considering codifying extremism as a fundamental plank of the party platform and publicly announcing what it has merely dog-whistled for the last decade.
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Despite the implications (assumptions) here, we have no idea who is supporting Fuentes, and what he stands for, vs who is supporting the "right" of Tucker to interview Fuentes.
Do you think the interview suddenly created all kinds of white nationalists/neo-nazis?
I don't.