Many Americans Say the Democratic Party Does Not Share Their Priorities

[superrific]

stupidity of "well, a man CAN have kids" is just digging your hole deeper.

Who says this? It's your side who goes to town on this stupidity. Our embrace of trans rights isn't to shove weird shit down your throat. It's because trans people are real people; they are hurting inside; and a caring society cares about all of its members, even the marginalized ones.

My wife's niece (was nephew) is trans. She's a good person. She's been caring of her family (having fathered children before transitioning), and she contributes to her community. My wife loves her. There's no reason to take out your frustrations on her or any other trans person simply for being trans.

It's your side that always brings up these exceedingly rare horror stories. Oh, no -- someone said in subcommittee testimony in response to a direct question that people who identify as male can have a fertile uterus! How will we ever survive? Oh no, a volleyball player somewhere was born a man and is a decent player in a weak conference in women's volleyball. How can we possible cope as a nation?

If you had an ounce of common sense, your response would be: who cares about these wedge issues that do not affect my life in the slightest?

 

[4thgenheel]

This is, again, where Dems like you lose the average American. Not buying into the stupidity of DEI, 50 genders, men playing in women's sports, men getting pregnant, etc is not being transphobic or homophobic. I want all Americans, regardless of what they think they are or who they want to fondle their junk, to have every political right. That is not what the Left is pushing.

They're pushing "You're either with us 100% or you're a bigot/xxxphobe."

i'm not even remotely a democrat.

gender dysphoria is real. trans people are real people who deserve the same rights and respect as everyone else.

if a trans man who still has the equipment necessary wants to get pregnant and have a baby, who the fuck are you to say that they aren't a pregnant man?

and i'm saying that you're a bigot/transphobe/homophobe because you are one, not because i think you have to be "100% with us" whoever the hell us even is.

i'm still very much on the fence about trans women in women's sports, for example. guess i'm not "with us" either. oopsie.

 

[ZenMode]

Who says this?

Everyone who calls a trans man is an actual "man" is saying a man can get pregnant.

It's your side who goes to town on this stupidity. Our embrace of trans rights isn't to shove weird shit down your throat.

You should read the responses to my post by other people here. I'm a bigot, homophobe and transphobe. Have I ever expressed a desire to deny anyone a political freedom? Nope. Would I ever? Nope. If THAT was the perception of Dems, your party wouldn't be losing to 6'4" piles of shit. But that isn't the position. The position, as I mentioned, is that you're either 100% in agreement or you're a bigot/xxxphobe.

It's because trans people are real people; they are hurting inside; and a caring society cares about all of its members, even the marginalized ones.

Ok.

My wife's niece (was nephew) is trans. She's a good person. She's been caring of her family (having fathered children before transitioning), and she contributes to her community. My wife loves her. There's no reason to take out your frustrations on her or any other trans person simply for being trans.

Straw man. Not supporting things like men playing in women's sports isn't "taking out frustrations". It's being educated about the physical differences between males and females.

It's your side that always brings up these exceedingly rare horror stories. Oh, no -- someone said in subcommittee testimony in response to a direct question that people who identify as male can have a fertile uterus! How will we ever survive? Oh no, a volleyball player somewhere was born a man and is a decent player in a weak conference in women's volleyball. How can we possible cope as a nation?

Yes. One person is often portrayed as representating the entire party. It happens both ways.

If you had an ounce of common sense, your response would be: who cares about these wedge issues that do not affect my life in the slightest?

I don't support DEI because I don't support discrimination. I don't support males in females sports because I believe women's sports exist for a reason. That reason was clear to the country until recently when about half went off the rails.

 

[UNCatTech]

I believe the things described in the clip fit perfectly into the title of this thread.

The more you post the less respect I have for you.

Fuck the ignorant idiots that believe their bigotry should be validation for laws restricting people's rights.

 

[UNCatTech]

And people like you, Hillary, Biden are why POS like Trump win. Calling Americans bigots for wanting a secure border and not buying into the stupidity of "well, a man CAN have kids" is just digging your hole deeper.

If Rs would have ran a quality candidate in 2024, the beating would have been significantly worse.

Google IVGs.

And no no is being called a bigot for wanting border security. They are being called cultist for authoring a bill then voting against their own bill because their lord trump told them it was better for him politically to not work to solve the issue.

And you are wrong, again, pure ignorance is why a POS like trump was elected. That national average 6th grade reading level combined with worship of reality stars is more to blame. The idiots who voted for Trump never listened to Hillary, Biden, or Kamala.

 

[ChileG]

People who voted for Trump, or third party, or not at all really have a lot of nerve blaming people who voted D in 2016 and 2024 for Trump.

 

[Shenanigans]

This is, again, where Dems like you lose the average American. Not buying into the stupidity of DEI, 50 genders, men playing in women's sports, men getting pregnant, etc is not being transphobic or homophobic. I want all Americans, regardless of what they think they are or who they want to fondle their junk, to have every political right. That is not what the Left is pushing.

They're pushing "You're either with us 100% or you're a bigot/xxxphobe."

"Regardless of what they think they are or who they want to fondle their junk"

This is your enemy, in every way. Realistic liberals are not.

If I am harsh, it is only because Zens very essence makes me want to poop. Not on him, but at least towards his facial direction.

 

[finesse]

You forgot one of the basic principles of life. It's hard to shit on their head if you've sunk to their level.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Google IVGs.

And you are wrong, again, pure ignorance is why a POS like trump was elected. That national average 6th grade reading level combined with worship of reality stars is more to blame. The idiots who voted for Trump never listened to Hillary, Biden, or Kamala.

Yep. Our reality show society elected themselves a reality show president. It's bread and circuses time in the good 'ol US of A. If many Trumpers are at an economic dead end in their dying small towns and cities and they're miserable, at least they can get some joy in life by watching fake "reality" shows with scripted actors (some of whom, like the two leads of Chrisley Knows Best, have been sent to prison), and by electing a reality show president to wreck the jobs and lives of more prosperious blue voters and make them just as miserable as they are. "Misery loves company" indeed.

 

[CFordUNC]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha yeah, the left is the one trying to eliminate LGBTQ people from society, banning books, and boycotting companies who have the audacity to market to minorities.

Always such a victim. What a burden you all carry, board Pubs. What a cross you bear!

 

[ZenMode]

"Regardless of what they think they are or who they want to fondle their junk"

This is your enemy, in every way. Realistic liberals are not.

If I am harsh, it is only because Zens very essence makes me want to poop. Not on him, but at least towards his facial direction.

No, I am not the enemy because I find uncommon ways to describe gender dysphoria and a humorous way to reference not giving a single shit what consenting adults do in private. I am much more like the average centrist voter than many here are.

The problem is that realistic liberals may not be that common and, if they are, aren't willing to speak reasonably in public or are afraid to speak reasonably in public.

I was pro-gay marriage before Obama was.

 

[superrific]

The hate, intolerance, and canceling is coming from the left. Just read this board. There is tremendous hate for pubs. You have to see that right?

Is that because of who you are, or bad choices you make (and then foist upon the rest of us)? The difference is that the existence of gay people or trans people bugs you out. The existence of Republicans does not do that for me, except when you all send the world into a chaos spiral not seen since the Great Depression.

If someone wanted to break the US economy and government, Elon and Trump have provided a road map. That their actions are indistinguishable from an enemy of the US should give you pause.

 

[4thgenheel]

No, I am not the enemy because I find uncommon ways to describe gender dysphoria and a humorous way to reference not giving a single shit what consenting adults do in private. I am much more like the average centrist voter than many here are.

The problem is that realistic liberals may not be that common and, if they are, aren't willing to speak reasonably in public or are afraid to speak reasonably in public.

I was pro-gay marriage before Obama was.

there wasn't anything humorous about that woman's shitty little attempted "gotcha" video about several subjects that are far too nuanced for her bigoted little pea brain to grasp.

it was transphobic, antifeminist horseshit.

 

[Shenanigans]

You forgot one of the basic principles of life. It's hard to shit on their head if you've sunk to their level.

I am below their level.

They are shit because they don't know any other way to be. I am shit because to fuck up shit, you have to be willing to be in shit. I'm taking one for the team. You're welcome.

I never thought sinking to their level was necessary, but 6-3 justices, and all 3 branches while they are eliminating millions of jobs and services to people, make my job 100% necessary

 

[superrific]

I am below their level.

They are shit because they don't know any other way to be. I am shit because to fuck up shit, you have to be willing to be in shit. I'm taking one for the team. You're welcome.

I never thought sinking to their level was necessary, but 6-3 justices, and all 3 branches while they are eliminating millions of jobs and services to people, make my job 100% necessary

Then may I ask that you take your shit elsewhere?

 

[ChileG]

No, I am not the enemy because I find uncommon ways to describe gender dysphoria and a humorous way to reference not giving a single shit what consenting adults do in private. I am much more like the average centrist voter than many here are.

The problem is that realistic liberals may not be that common and, if they are, aren't willing to speak reasonably in public or are afraid to speak reasonably in public.

I was pro-gay marriage before Obama was.

You are not a centrist voter or you would have voted for the centrist candidate.

 

[Shenanigans]

No, I am not the enemy because I find uncommon ways to describe gender dysphoria and a humorous way to reference not giving a single shit what consenting adults do in private. I am much more like the average centrist voter than many here are.

The problem is that realistic liberals may not be that common and, if they are, aren't willing to speak reasonably in public or are afraid to speak reasonably in public.

I was pro-gay marriage before Obama was.

"Because I find uncommon ways to describe gender dysphora"

You don't even know how to talk like a regular person.

I'm far from trans, I have interacted with maybe 5 trans folks, all pretty cool. You talk like gender preferences is a made up thing, not constructed by humans. Boys have to love baseball, and girls have to love pink dresses, cuz normal. Listen to yourself, understand you are a fucking bigot, and do better

 

[Mulberry Heel]

I have had Calla and Zen on ignore for a good while and am very happy I did so, but I decided today to "un-ignore" them to read their posts and see if I had missed anything. It's good to know that I haven't missed a blessed thing, as they are both still doing their same schtick they were when I put them on ignore. With Zen it's just being deliberately dense in arguments, arguing in circles, and taking threads as far off-tangent as possible, and Calla just keeps repeating the same Trumper and right-wing media talking points over and over and over. Watch Fox & Newsmax and you pretty much know what he's going to say about every issue.

 

[Shenanigans]

Then may I ask that you take your shit elsewhere?

You may ask, but I really have to shit, so compliance is 50/50.

 

[Centerpiece]

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Many Americans Say the Democratic Party Does Not Share Their Priorities

A poll from The New York Times and Ipsos found that Americans believe abortion, L.G.B.T.Q. issues and climate change concern Democrats more than the cost of living.

www.nytimes.com

Many Americans say they do not believe the Democratic Party is focused on the economic issues that matter most to them and is instead placing too much emphasis on social issues that they consider less urgent.

Asked to identify the Democratic Party’s most important priorities, Americans most often listed abortion, L.G.B.T.Q. rights and climate change, according to a poll from The New York Times and Ipsos conducted from Jan. 2 to 10.

The issues that people cited as most important to them personally were the economy and inflation, health care and immigration, the poll found. The kinds of social causes that progressive activists have championed in recent years ranked much lower.

As Democrats gather in Washington this weekend to elect the next chairman of their party, and debate how to most effectively counter the Trump administration, the latest public opinion surveys contain worrisome signs for them.

The country remains deeply divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership, with roughly equal shares of people saying that his second term is cause for celebration or concern.

But the poll suggests that people do not view the Democratic Party as an appealing alternative.

In a broad sense, the poll, which surveyed a representative sample of 2,128 adults nationwide, found that Americans think the Republican Party is more in sync with the mood of the country. The issues that people said mattered most to Republicans were also, for the most part, the issues that mattered to them: immigration, the economy, inflation and taxes.

First, and perhaps the only time, I will weigh in on this. I get it. Totally get it. And I agree with the over all sentiment: "Many Americans say they do not believe the Democratic Party is focused on the economic issues that matter most to them and is instead placing too much emphasis on social issues that they consider less urgent."
I can see that... "many Americans say..."

That statement is actually a no brainer. Most Americans these days would say that. And they would be correct.

The Dems have been working the social issues hard for a long time now. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I'm socially progressive myself. I'm all in on some LGBTQ rights; Green this and that; Black Lives Matter; Long live Ukraine. I'm a modern day Woody Guthrie or Pete Seeger. My guitar (machine) kills fascists.

But I can totally see where "Many Americans" would say: "OK. We get it. However, I can't pay my rent. My job doesn't pay me enough. Eggs... inflation... housing... childcare... waste in Government... screw Ukraine, what about Detroit?"

These "many Americans" probably don't really give a shit about a wedding cake for a gay couple. They don't care... bake the cake, don't bake the cake... fuck it... they don't care. Or if a transgender can or can't participate in an NCAA or Olympic sport. Let 'em play, don't let 'em play. Screw it... they don't really have a horse in that race. They don't care. What they do care about is making ends meet. Period.

The right wing assholes have done a marvelous job of "marketing" the fact that the Dems are spending too much time, energy and money on these social issues. They've used this fact as a cudgel against Dem candidates. And the Dems have continually stepped right into that "trap". The evidence of which resides in D.C. and in Raleigh and in your County's Commission.