Many Americans Say the Democratic Party Does Not Share Their Priorities

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HeelYeah2012 said:
Yep - the big question everyone needs to be asking, since we know that ad was the most effective ad of the political cycle on the martins among swing voters, is this: “Why did the Democrats let that ad sink them? And why would it ruffle so many feathers on the left to denounce it?”
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Do you have so many people here on ignore that you just don’t see all of the comments answering your questions before you even ask them? I mean, this has been discussed AT LENGTH already.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Yep - the big question everyone needs to be asking, since we know that ad was the most effective ad of the political cycle on the martins among swing voters, is this: “Why did the Democrats let that ad sink them? And why would it ruffle so many feathers on the left to denounce it?”
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No. The big question that everyone needs to be asking is about the shit-show going on in DC. Don't try to change the subject. That ad matters not at all.

If Trump tanks the economy and launches a constitutional crisis and starts trying to invade other countries, it will not matter. It's hard to do predictions, but if Trump continues what he is doing for another year, we could be looking at 60+ Dem Senators and close to 2/3 in the House.
 
lawtig02 said:
Do you have so many people here on ignore that you just don’t see all of the comments answering your questions before you even ask them? I mean, this has been discussed AT LENGTH already.
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I don’t have anyone on ignore but I definitely scroll past certain posters and focus more on the ones I know typically engage with me in good faith. Calheel and I hardly ever agree on things but we do have mostly respectful dialogue.

And since Calheel agrees with me here, I’m more concerned with giving him a response (to further our alignment on this and push that convo forward) than I am with reading every single response on the whole thread.
 
lawtig02 said:
Do you have so many people here on ignore that you just don’t see all of the comments answering your questions before you even ask them? I mean, this has been discussed AT LENGTH already.
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He appears obsessed with the transgender issue, that's for sure.
 
superrific said:
No. The big question that everyone needs to be asking is about the shit-show going on in DC. Don't try to change the subject. That ad matters not at all.

If Trump tanks the economy and launches a constitutional crisis and starts trying to invade other countries, it will not matter. It's hard to do predictions, but if Trump continues what he is doing for another year, we could be looking at 60+ Dem Senators and close to 2/3 in the House.
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If Trump really does stuff between now and the midterms that is so bad it results in 60 Dem senators in 2026, it’ll be fine with me if the power flips. That’s the way our system is designed to work. I am not nearly as concerned with the Republicans keeping the power as you probably think I am. I dislike both parties, but just happen to dislike Democrats more.

I also happen to enjoy it in general when the power is split, so that the two parties are either forced to compromise or we just get status quo. Especially in NC, which has been thriving under the leadership of a blue governor + red legislature now for years.

I know y’all always think I’m lying or whatever but I say this win or lose: I don’t care that much who wins. I do enjoy following the elections and debating the issues. And I’m particularly fascinated by this place because it’s such an echo chamber, basically 100 posters who all hate Trump. I do think most people here are a little heavy on the TDS, but I also know the average person here is smart so I enjoy staying connected here to see what the left is saying, as I’ve explained 100 times in the past.

But I don’t look to either party to make my life better and I generally think politicians almost always get in the way more than they help anything. I vote for what I think is best for our collective future but I also know that most people I encounter in daily life are good, people on both sides of the aisle.
 
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Mulberry Heel said:
He appears obsessed with the transgender issue, that's for sure.
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As a general matter Republicans are obsessed with it. Republican support and approval of gay marriage has fallen over the past few years. It seems clear to me that many Republicans that claimed to have come around on gay marriage weren't telling the truth and are giddy that transgender issues have opened the door on rolling back all LGBTQ rights.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
If Trump really does stuff between now and the midterms that is so bad it results in 60 Dem senators in 2026, it’ll be fine with me if the power flips. That’s the way our system is designed to work.

I am not nearly as concerned with the Republicans keeping the power as you probably think I am. I dislike both parties, but just happen to dislike Democrats more.

I also happen to enjoy it in general when the power is split, so that the two parties are either forced to compromise or we just get status quo. Especially in NC, which has been thriving under the leadership of a blue governor + red legislature now for years.
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Except that the red legislature keeps stripping more and more power from the blue governors and blue state officials and adding it to their own. And that they have gerrymandered the state to the point that Democrats have no realistic hope of ever regaining control of the legislature, and they have made it very easy for them to gain a supermajority that renders a blue governor's veto useless.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Except that the red legislature keeps stripping more and more power from the blue governors and blue state officials and adding it to their own. And that they have gerrymandered the state to the point that Democrats have no realistic hope of ever regaining control of the legislature, and they have made it very easy for them to gain a supermajority that renders a blue governor's veto useless.
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Yeah, I’m glad the supermajority isn’t there anymore. As a Cooper & Stein voter in recent NC Governor elections, I like those guys having veto power to keep the legislature in check.
 
Lando said:
As a general matter Republicans are obsessed with it. Republican support and approval of gay marriage has fallen over the past few years. It seems clear to me that many Republicans that claimed to have come around on gay marriage weren't telling the truth and are giddy that transgender issues have opened the door on rolling back all LGBTQ rights.
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Absolutely. I remain convinced that attacking transgenders and rolling back their rights is simply a wedge issue for Republicans to eventually go after the entire LGBTQ community.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Yeah, I’m glad the supermajority isn’t there anymore. As a Cooper & Stein voter in recent NC Governor elections, I like those guys having veto power to keep the legislature in check.
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They failed to win a supermajority by one vote, and given their advantages they can easily win it back in 2026. And with the legislature taking more of the executive branch's power with each election cycle the governor's power to stop the legislature gradually grows less and less.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Absolutely. I remain convinced that attacking transgenders and rolling back their rights is simply a wedge issue for Republicans to eventually go after the entire LGBTQ community.
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I agree completely. And Democrats need to learn how to combat this now as I believe that these culture war fights are going to get worse. Between Republicans chasing people away from religion and younger generations acceptance of LGBTQ people the culture will look unrecognizable to conservatives. This is going to get worse.
 
CFordUNC said:


It’s going to get real difficult for a lot of folks to act like they are so inconvenienced by the mere existence of transgender people when they have to work an extra 10 years because their party decimated the economy and laughed in their faces about it.
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Haven't read the whole thread but I take stuff like this with a grain of salt. You could easily find stories all over major financial news outlets predicting massive selloffs throughout the entire bull market. I'm more concerned he keeps the markets propped up by whatever means possible and leaves a complete mess for the next administration. I also think the markets and the perceptions they create are things he actually cares about (there aren't many) and if his tariffs and other shenanigans are hurting markets he will back off. Also that's just what hedge funds do, they short stocks.
 
superrific said:
Kamala got the nod because she was the only candidate who everyone could rally around in a short period of time, and the only one who would have access to the cash. If you go with "she's the VP, she should replace him" then we could move on with the campaign. Once you open it up to other candidates, floodgates.
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Right.

No conspiracy.
 
Paine said:
Democrats, progressive activists, whoever.

There are segments of the socialist left who traffic in parts of the identity synthesis and segments of the liberal Democratic left who do so.

There is often a conflation between the materialist socialist left and the identity focused left. There is overlap, but these are distinct camps.

I don’t like using the term woke because it’s little more than a right-wing cudgel at this point, but I think a good definition of wokeness is social justice politics with class removed. This is how the liberal identity focused segments of the Democratic Party were able to wield this strain of progressivism against Bernie in 2016.

To say that Democrats haven’t engaged at all in this kind of language is just wrong. They moved away from it a bit in 2024, but the damage had already been done.
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  • Socialist left
  • Identity synthesis
  • Liberal Democratic left
  • Conflation between
  • Materialist socialist left
  • Identity focused left
  • Wokeness is…….
  • Social Justice politics
  • Liberal identity focused segments…….
That’s a lot of buzzwords and buzz phrases.
 
Zoo_View said:
  • Socialist left
  • Identity synthesis
  • Liberal Democratic left
  • Conflation between
  • Materialist socialist left
  • Identity focused left
  • Wokeness is…….
  • Social Justice politics
  • Liberal identity focused segments…….
That’s a lot of buzzwords and buzz phrases.
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Not at all. All of those phrases have defined meanings. Might be a bit jargony, but that’s how political theory always is.
 
Zoo_View said:
Where many (most?) of us disagree with you is here:
  • “People need to be convinced that they have more in common than they don’t.”
  • “That’s why I think it’s pure folly for the left to focus on identity politics over other things.”
By “the left” do you mean Democrats?
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Paine said:
Not at all. All of those phrases have defined meanings. Might be a bit jargony, but that’s how political theory always is.
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Just FYI, whether they are buzzwords or jargon, they are far beyond my ability to comprehend what you mean by any of them.
 
I don’t care who wins or loses elections, so I might as well vote for the guys who are actively trying to ruin what was a strong economy, purge the FBI and Justice Department of anyone not swearing allegiance to the president, and promises to raid my social security. I’m just so above it all.
 
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wmheel1287 said:
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Just FYI, whether they are buzzwords or jargon, they are far beyond my ability to comprehend what you mean by any of them.
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Some are fairly self explanatory, I think. The only phrase listed there that can’t be deduced by just knowing the individual meanings of the words is identity synthesis, which I explained earlier in the thread. But it goes to show my earlier point that the message board medium isn’t a great place to discuss complex topics like this one with any degree of understanding between parties.
 
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