March Madness - Final Four is set

[hedge]

I dislike Dan Hurley, dislike UConn to a lesser extent, but outside of the teams I like, this is the most fun and rewarding outcome of a game I have ever seen. All the good people of planet Earth celebrate this, as a coach who has under-performed with more talent (so far) than any coach in the history of sports, gets what he deserves.

WTF is Hurley doing with the ref at the 42 second mark of that video??

 

[superrific]

How did it change the outcome? Duke would lose that game either way.

Win in regulation isn't the same as win in overtime.

 

[Calheel]

Win in regulation isn't the same as win in overtime.

 

[HandsonFire]

WTF is Hurley doing with the ref at the 42 second mark of that video??

Yeah I’ve seen that in a few places today. Hard to see it any other way than some type of challenge. He is lucky his ass didn’t get teed up right there.

 

[superrific]

You know exactly what I mean with the contrast between the Capel shot and the MJ shot. And there is a difference. There is a reason why, for instance, a game that goes into OT is marked on the schedule as a win in OT.

 

[Calheel]

You know exactly what I mean with the contrast between the Capel shot and the MJ shot. And there is a difference. There is a reason why, for instance, a game that goes into OT is marked on the schedule as a win in OT.

You are likely the only person on the planet who thinks Capel's relatively meaningless half-court heave (in a regular season game in a year in which Duke stunk and did not alter the outcome of the game) is a more memorable shot than Jordan's game winner in Dean Smith's first national championship. And not for nothing, that shot launched the GOAT's career. And was also the Chapel Hill phone book cover for many years afterwards.

 

[Centerpiece]

OK, it sent the game to overtime. The point is that it directly changed the outcome with nothing else required. After MJ hit the shot, G'Town still had 15 seconds. Not the 0.3 seconds Duke had yesterday. Or not the 0 seconds UNC had in 95. Plus Capel's was a half-court heave.

Maybe I should have phrased it as a buzzer beater.

Make no mistake, Jordan’s shot in 1982 was indeed the game winner. Yes, Michael Jordan’s 16-foot jump shot with 15-17 seconds remaining in the 1982 NCAA Championship game is famously considered a game-winning shot. It gave the University of North Carolina a 63-62 lead over Georgetown, which held up as the Final score. Georgetown was ahead 62-61 when MJ took, and hit his shot. There was no more scoring. It was the final field goal shot on goal.

 

[superrific]

You are likely the only person on the planet who thinks Capel's relatively meaningless half-court heave (in a regular season game in a year in which Duke stunk and did not alter the outcome of the game) is a more memorable shot than Jordan's game winner in Dean Smith's first national championship. And not for nothing, that shot launched the GOAT's career. And was also the Chapel Hill phone book cover for many years afterwards.

I didn't say it was more memorable. I said that the GOAT's shot doesn't make for great replay TV.

For instance: Laettner not only gave a memorable shot; he also got to run around cheering his ass off because he won the game. That didn't happen after MJ's shot. Replays love those celebration scenes. I don't remember if Capel's shot was accompanied by frantic celebration.

Anyway, TV coverage of MJ's shot has other problems that make it less useful for highlight montages.

 

[superrific]

Make no mistake, Jordan’s shot in 1982 was indeed the game winner. Yes, Michael Jordan’s 16-foot jump shot with 15-17 seconds remaining in the 1982 NCAA Championship game is famously considered a game-winning shot. It gave the University of North Carolina a 63-62 lead over Georgetown, which held up as the Final score. Georgetown was ahead 62-61 when MJ took, and hit his shot. There was no more scoring. It was the final field goal shot on goal.

You know what I mean. After Mullins' shot last night, the game was over. There was basically nothing Duke could do. After MJ's shot, G'Town still had a chance. That is to say, UNC needed one more play to win -- whether that was a stop, a steal or just a G'Town missed shot.

Game winning shots is a statistic kept by the NBA, I believe. Or someone. It is not defined as the final FG made in a game. It is usually defined as a go-ahead shot with x seconds remaining -- I think x is usually 5 seconds but it might be 10.

The reason we see Webber's TO in montages (not as often as we used to) was because it ended the game for all intents and purposes. MJ's shot, as great and clutch as it was, did not.

Capel's shot did not end the game, true, but it turned what was a certain loss into a chance for Duke to win. Similarly, if Jenkins had missed the three pointer, Marcus Paige's tying shot would likely be far more famous than it is. It didn't decide the game (obviously) but it turned what was a certain loss into a contest that looked ready for OT.

 

[Centerpiece]

You know what I mean. After Mullins' shot last night, the game was over. There was basically nothing Duke could do. After MJ's shot, G'Town still had a chance. That is to say, UNC needed one more play to win -- whether that was a stop, a steal or just a G'Town missed shot.

Game winning shots is a statistic kept by the NBA, I believe. Or someone. It is not defined as the final FG made in a game. It is usually defined as a go-ahead shot with x seconds remaining -- I think x is usually 5 seconds but it might be 10.

The reason we see Webber's TO in montages (not as often as we used to) was because it ended the game for all intents and purposes. MJ's shot, as great and clutch as it was, did not.

Capel's shot did not end the game, true, but it turned what was a certain loss into a chance for Duke to win. Similarly, if Jenkins had missed the three pointer, Marcus Paige's tying shot would likely be far more famous than it is. It didn't decide the game (obviously) but it turned what was a certain loss into a contest that looked ready for OT.

Not arguing with you on this. Nobody in their right mind would not consider MJ’s shot a game winner. Period. I’m not saying it was a game-Ender, but it was the last shot on goal, it was the go ahead basket and there were not other field goals taken
However, I will agree with you on your point about MJ’s shot not being “great tv” these days given the obvious differences between tv coverage between then and now.

As far as Capel and all of that other? Not going there. Fuck him. He’s a d00kie.

 

[tarheelbillie]

he's all too often a temperamental clown. handles losing about like a 3 year old.

this is one of the more egregious incidents and there have been quite a few:

March Madness: UConn comms director apologizes after threatening reporter over viral Dan Hurley rant

UConn's director of communications was reportedly not happy video of Dan Hurley's angry rant was released.

sports.yahoo.com

(hurley isn't totally responsible for what the comms director did but this whole episode gives you a taste of the kind of environment around that program)

Thanks. I know zero about Danny's history. Never saw him play, never followed him as a coach.