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[PandemicBlue]

Someone has absolutely no support for his nonsense.

It's PandemicBlue.

Well show us a credible link about the 300,000 being lost

I just did a quick search with key words and this video popped up with sworn testimony. If you would like, take a listen and see if you find anything interesting. And if you feel that if even part of their testimony is accurate, what does that say about us as a nation?

 

[PandemicBlue]

We have got to get control of our border. And that goes for both Democrat and Republican administrations.

 

[CFordUNC]

Mine did too, just like it did under Trump as well as I'm sure yours did. But unlike you and I, many people live paycheck to paycheck. They are not fortunate enough to prosper off the stock market or make lucrative ROIs from other sources. They suffer when an economy with 1.4 percent inflation is handed off to someone who runs it up to 9.1. That is one of the reasons some poor people hate wealthy people. They know wealthy people get to live in a world insulated from a lot of the conditions the common man has to suffer though.

I grew up in a poor family. We had SNAP at times when I was growing up. I've worked since I was 14 years old. I was a Pell Grant kid. As an adult, I've experienced what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck. I made somewhere between $0-$7.25 for the first three years after I graduated from college, working full-time jobs the entire time. There were many times I had to choose between putting gas in the tank to be able to get to work or food in my belly. I had health insurance only because of the ACA. So I've absolutely been exactly where you say the "common man" is.

Now, I make multiple six-figures myself, and once my spouse begins her first attending physician job later this year, I'll have a household income approaching three quarters of a million dollars. And yet, somehow, someway, instead of voting because I want my top marginal tax rate reduced, or because I want social safety nets slashed since I don't use them, or because I want poor people who pick my crops, cook my food, clean my house, etc. to quit being "lazy freeloaders" and/or get deported because they *might* be here without authorization, I vote because I want ALL Americans to have enough food, shelter, health insurance, childcare help, etc. I don't ever want people to have to choose between putting gas in their tanks or food on their table. I don't want people to suffer through illness and injury not being able to get treated or go to the doctor's office without it bankrupting them. I don't want people who work hard to build our houses, harvest our food, cook and clean in our homes and restaurants, etc. to get kicked out of the country if all they're doing is busting their ass to make a better life.

By contrast, I've got family members who who don't work, who draw disability, who draw veterans benefits, who get food from Meals on Wheels, who are on Medicaid, who subsist solely upon Social Security, who draw unemployment....and guess how they vote? Spoiler: they vote for the person and the party who openly campaigned on slashing, cutting, or reducing all of those social safety nets!

Tell me again about the common man?

 

[Healing]

I see three posts on page 61 of this thread. Is the meltdown worth seeing?

 

[nycfan]

 

[CFordUNC]

I see three posts on page 61 of this thread. Is the meltdown worth seeing?

 

[PandemicBlue]

I grew up in a poor family. We had SNAP at times when I was growing up. I've worked since I was 14 years old. I was a Pell Grant kid. As an adult, I've experienced what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck. I made somewhere between $0-$7.25 for the first three years after I graduated from college, working full-time jobs the entire time. There were many times I had to choose between putting gas in the tank to be able to get to work or food in my belly. I had health insurance only because of the ACA. So I've absolutely been exactly where you say the "common man" is.

Now, I make multiple six-figures myself, and once my spouse begins her first attending physician job later this year, I'll have a household income approaching three quarters of a million dollars. And yet, somehow, someway, instead of voting because I want my top marginal tax rate reduced, or because I want social safety nets slashed since I don't use them, or because I want poor people who pick my crops, cook my food, clean my house, etc. to quit being "lazy freeloaders" and/or get deported because they *might* be here without authorization, I vote because I want ALL Americans to have enough food, shelter, health insurance, childcare help, etc. I don't ever want people to have to choose between putting gas in their tanks or food on their table. I don't want people to suffer through illness and injury not being able to get treated or go to the doctor's office without it bankrupting them. I don't want people who work hard to build our houses, harvest our food, cook and clean in our homes and restaurants, etc. to get kicked out of the country if all they're doing is busting their ass to make a better life.

By contrast, I've got family members who who don't work, who draw disability, who draw veterans benefits, who get food from Meals on Wheels, who are on Medicaid, who subsist solely upon Social Security, who draw unemployment....and guess how they vote? Spoiler: they vote for the person and the party who openly campaigned on slashing, cutting, or reducing all of those social safety nets!

Tell me again about the common man?

That's all great. Congratulations on your success. I understand what you "want", but is what you want for everybody actually achievable or is it a utopian desire in reality. We are 36 trillion in debt and have all the problems we currently have as a nation. And importing millions of additional poor people does what exactly to improve that situation?

And you claim that I suggested that the people who pick your crops or cook your food are the lazy freeloaders. No, they are some of the hardest working people I have ever seen. They are many times people who are strongly family oriented, believe in Christ and have conservative values. The lazy freeloaders are the ones who do no work of any kind, even though they could, but instead, live in a country where somebody allows them to not do any work but instead live off the American taxpayer. In what world is that reasonable?

And lastly, let's say you were a drug cartel leader, who wants to make money off human trafficking, pour drugs into the US, you want to rape and pillage poor migrants trying to make their way to the US, you want to take the billions you make and reign terror throughout the country in which you live and effectively turn it into a narco state....whose border policy do you think you would like best, Biden's or Trump's?

 

[CFordUNC]

That's all great. Congratulations on your success. I understand what you "want", but is what you want for everybody actually achievable or is it a utopian desire in reality. We are 36 trillion in debt and have all the problems we currently have as a nation. And importing millions of additional poor people does what exactly to improve that situation?

And you claim that I suggested that the people who pick your crops or cook your food are the lazy freeloaders. No, they are some of the hardest working people I have ever seen. They are many times people who are strongly family oriented, believe in Christ and have conservative values. The lazy freeloaders are the ones who do no work of any kind, even though they could, but instead, live in a country where somebody allows them to not do any work but instead live off the American taxpayer. In what world is that reasonable?

And lastly, let's say you were a drug cartel leader, who wants to make money off human trafficking, pour drugs into the US, you want to rape and pillage poor migrants trying to make their way to the US, you want to take the billions you make and reign terror throughout the country in which you live and effectively turn it into a narco state....whose border policy do you think you would like best, Biden's or Trump's?

What I "want" is for every hard-working person in our country- the wealthiest and most prosperous country in the history of the universe- to have basic access to shelter, food, clothing, healthcare, medicine. What I "want" is for every hard-working person in our country to not have to struggle so mightily to make ends meet on low or minimum wage while the Chief Executive of their company buys a third yacht, a second private jet, and a fifth vacation mansion. What I "want" is for us to have strong, secure, well-enforced borders that protect us while simultaneously having a robust, efficient system of legal immigration that enables people from all over the world to come to the United States, work hard, pay taxes, contribute to our economic success, and make their own lives- and ours- better.

Why is any of that some unachievable utopian fantasy? I'm always so amazed that the same people who believe that America is the greatest country that ever country'd in the history of countries, somehow immediately lose faith in American exceptionalism the moment we start discussing things like....making sure people don't go hungry, making sure that people who want to live here and work hard have the ability to do so, etc.

 

[Zoo_View]

I see three posts on page 61 of this thread. Is the meltdown worth seeing?

No.

It’s people responding to and interacting with PandemicBlue. Why they are? No clue.

 

[Bobfripp]

Please point out any inaccuracies in anything I posted.

“The majority of all individuals encountered at the southwest border over the past three years (2021-2024) have been removed, returned, or expelled,” a DHS official told us. The total DHS repatriations of 3.7 million would support that. The figure is 57% of the 6.5 million total encounters. The one caveat is that the total repatriations could include some migrants who were apprehended crossing the border some time ago and later were arrested and removed by ICE."

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/

Biden did not let into the USA anywhere near "10 to 20 million people (who knows the real number) from all around the world"

 

[mpaer]

What I "want" is for every hard-working person in our country- the wealthiest and most prosperous country in the history of the universe- to have basic access to shelter, food, clothing, healthcare, medicine. What I "want" is for every hard-working person in our country to not have to struggle so mightily to make ends meet on low or minimum wage while the Chief Executive of their company buys a third yacht, a second private jet, and a fifth vacation mansion. What I "want" is for us to have strong, secure, well-enforced borders that protect us while simultaneously having a robust, efficient system of legal immigration that enables people from all over the world to come to the United States, work hard, pay taxes, contribute to our economic success, and make their own lives- and ours- better.

Why is any of that some unachievable utopian fantasy? I'm always so amazed that the same people who believe that America is the greatest country that ever country'd in the history of countries, somehow immediately lose faith in American exceptionalism the moment we start discussing things like....making sure people don't go hungry, making sure that people who want to live here and work hard have the ability to do so, etc.

And I would add some people are incapable of hard work-its okay with me if they have shelter , food, clothing and healthcare.

 

[UNCatTech]

What does a person think when in this situation and voting?

 

[UNCatTech]

This should have been fixed with an immigrant work program decades ago.

Exactly. These are not new issues that popped up last year. I don't believe any of our elected officials really want to fix the issue. They like it as a talking point and the cheap labor.

They could have fixed this back when presidents were sane people.

 

[Healing]

What does a person think when in this situation and voting?

Strong man good. Weak woman bad.

 

[UNCatTech]

I guess your dumbass has never heard of birth tourism. And the mere fact that it is even a possibility is the point. How many American citizens do you think have been born to women who are in the US illegally in just the last 4 years? Stupid ass people like yourself need not be allowed to vote unless there is a situation to where you and yours are the only people who have to suffer from your ignorant decisions.

God it would be nice if there were a way for only idiots like you and the other idiots that voted for the orange pieces of shit to suffer from your ignorant decisions. Unfortunately, we are all getting fucked because of your decisions.

Just look at the article Finesse posted, the numbers don't line up with what fox news told you.

And why are you so damn scared of people who want to come to the US, work hard, and better their life? It must be a sad little existence to be scared of everyone who wants a shot at a better life. You know you need to get out of your mom's basement, you need sunlight so your body can produce vitamin D.

 

[UNCatTech]

When I see "unauthorized" substituted for "illegal" that tells me a lot. Just do a search of and you will find multiple sources that lay out the numbers. And that doesn't even count the unknowns.

The fact that anyone would defend what has been allowed happen just makes me shake my head. Anyone willing to do so just lends credence to the people who believe the US will not have to be defeated on the battlefield, it will defeat itself from within.

How does one "Count the unknowns", that sounds like code for make up numbers that agree with our orange overlord.

 

[nycfan]

"The executive order calls for the deportation of resident aliens — including students with visas — who broke laws as part of anti-Israel protests following the Oct. 7, 2023, terrorist attacks in Israel, which sparked the invasion of Gaza, the document reviewed by The Post says."

Exclusive | Trump ordering review to identify, punish and deport antisemites — including students on visas

The executive order calls for the deportation of resident aliens — including students with visas — who broke laws as part of anti-Israel protests following the Oct. 7, 2023, terrorist attacks in Is…

nypost.com

 

[donbosco]

I realize 10 to 20 million people (who knows the real number) from all around the world were allowed, if not encouraged, to simply walk into this country by the Biden administration.

Didn't matter if we were in the middle of a pandemic. Didn't matter if it costs US taxpayers billions upon billions to feed, house, provide healthcare, or educate children. Didn't matter if mixed among the good people were criminals who will, and have, murder, rape, rob, kill in traffic accidents, or run drugs leading to many more untold numbers of deaths and destruction.

Nobody has any idea who has come in or what their intentions are for coming. We are talking about people from all around the world. But many of you on this board don't know about this reality because you chose to get your information from sources who ran cover for likely the worst administration in this country's history. Or you do know but are so loyal to the Democratic Party that you are willing to ignore the reality of the situation.

If there were 330 million Americans and we just added 15 million more over the past 4 years that means 1 out of every 23 people you see anywhere in this country walked across the border over the past 4 years.....1 out of every 23. That's 1.5 times the population of the entire state of NC. Trump would have to deport 10,000 immigrants every single day of his 4 years to reach 15 million. That tells you how many were allowed to walk or be flown in every single day of the Biden Administration. And how much coverage did the arbiters of truth like CNN or MSNBC give to this massive invasion? I'll leave it to the people who actually watch those propaganda networks to answer that question. The damage done by Joe Biden will never be remedied.

Did we ever get a citation on this data? I need it for class. Students and all...you know?

 

[nycfan]

Once again, Quakers for the win:

Quaker groups file suit over the end of policy restricting ICE arrests in houses of worship

The suit appears to be the first from a faith-based organization challenging the change in court.

www.nbcnews.com

“… The lawsuit, brought by five Quaker groups, alleges the Trump order infringes on their First Amendment right to freedom of religion by instilling fear in congregants and leading to the cancellation of services. The lawsuit states that the potential of ICE raids is sending a "chilling effect" across immigrant worshippers at Quaker services.

"The very threat of government officials wearing ICE-emblazoned jackets outside of our religious service will have a significant impact on our communities and ability to practice our faith," the Baltimore Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends said in a statement.

"It lessens our ability to hear God and what God is trying to tell us," said Michael Levi, a 20-year member of the Adelphi Pennsylvania Friends Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends.

"Government enforcement actions that stops people from entering our meeting house, or scares them from doing so, affects us personally, viscerally, emotionally, and theologically."

This is the first such lawsuit brought by a religious organization against the Department of Homeland Security for ordering federal agents to raid churches, a rare boundary crossed in American life. …” [this probably should read “… a boundary rarely crossed …” not “a rare boundary crossed ...”]

 

[ZenMode]

“For instance, Chicago—very well-educated,“ Homan continued. ”They‘ve been educated on how to how to defy ICE, how to hide from ICE. I‘ve seen many pamphlets from many NGOs: ’Here‘s how you escape ICE from arresting you. Here‘s what you need to do.’"

“They call it ‘Know Your Rights.’ I call it ‘how to escape arrest,’” Homan added.

He seemed to be referring to a campaign, called Know Your Rights, launched by Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson. It encourages citizens whose homes are visited by immigration agents not to open the door unless presented with a warrant signed by a judge.