Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Trump “Gold Card” path to citizenship for $5 million

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Callatoroy said:
Bet you an immigration bill gets passed, that the pace of deportations slows down after a short period of time, and they will find a way to document people to avoid a labor shortage.
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My hope as it pertains to immigration is that the administration will deport the folks who are already slated for deportation and call it a win, and will then expend significant resources beefing up border patrol personnel, technological means of securing the border, and more immigration/asylum/work visa processing personnel. I won't agree with any needlessly cruel or inhumane methods, and I won't appreciate any performative political theater, but if Trump 2.0 figures out a way to solve (or make a lot of progress toward solving) our immigration issues, I'll happily tip my cap. It's obviously well-documented how much I don't approve of Trump as a person or as a leader, but as I keep saying, I am sincerely hoping that some good comes out of his second administration. I'm going to choose to look on the bright side until or unless given reason otherwise.
 
Callatoroy said:
Bet you an immigration bill gets passed, that the pace of deportations slows down after a short period of time, and they will find a way to document people to avoid a labor shortage.
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I hope overall that you are correct and this all turns out to be more performative shock and awe deportation of low-hanging fruit (actual criminals) than a genuine plan to actually build internment camps etc.
 
CFordUNC said:
My hope as it pertains to immigration is that the administration will deport the folks who are already slated for deportation and call it a win, and will then expend significant resources beefing up border patrol personnel, technological means of securing the border, and more immigration/asylum/work visa processing personnel. I won't agree with any needlessly cruel or inhumane methods, and I won't appreciate any performative political theater, but if Trump 2.0 figures out a way to solve (or make a lot of progress toward solving) our immigration issues, I'll happily tip my cap. It's obviously well-documented how much I don't approve of Trump as a person or as a leader, but as I keep saying, I am sincerely hoping that some good comes out of his second administration. I'm going to choose to look on the bright side until or unless given reason otherwise.
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Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused. One of the absolute worst is the turning a blind eye to the devastation and horror imparted on kids due to cartels while this board pretended all along that there is no crisis at the border and the right is just making shit up and its all good. Several went as far as to say the right was blowing the issue way out of proportion and nobody cares about the border except maga because they are racist. Of course they will be the very first hypocrites to scream when the left's media, who has misled them every step of the way, tries to portray trump as evil for cleaning up the mess. All of a sudden, the plight of immigrant kids will zoom to the top of their hypocritical, faux moral outrage, list of trump failures.
 
Callatoroy said:
Bet you an immigration bill gets passed, that the pace of deportations slows down after a short period of time, and they will find a way to document people to avoid a labor shortage.
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It could be difficult to get an immigration bill passed, even with Republican control of congress given the drama over the last attempt. MAGA voters want Trump to deliver on his promise to deport millions and the majorities are very slim. I could see a handful of senators and representatives balking because a bill doesn’t go far enough and some balking because it goes too far.
 
nycfan said:
I hope overall that you are correct and this all turns out to be more performative shock and awe deportation of low-hanging fruit (actual criminals) than a genuine plan to actually build internment camps etc.
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If we’re going to move in a forward direction in the next decade we need this to hurt the people who voted for it.

Bring on the camps. Bring on the tariffs. Bring on the end of the Department of Education.
 
Callatoroy said:
Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused. One of the absolute worst is the turning a blind eye to the devastation and horror imparted on kids due to cartels while this board pretended all along that there is no crisis at the border and the right is just making shit up and its all good. Several went as far as to say the right was blowing the issue way out of proportion and nobody cares about the border except maga because they are racist. Of course they will be the very first hypocrites to scream when the left's media, who has misled them every step of the way, tries to portray trump as evil for cleaning up the mess. All of a sudden, the plight of immigrant kids will zoom to the top of their hypocritical, faux moral outrage, list of trump failures.
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Oh, that's all true and you're either foolish or fiendish.
 
Callatoroy said:
Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused. One of the absolute worst is the turning a blind eye to the devastation and horror imparted on kids due to cartels while this board pretended all along that there is no crisis at the border and the right is just making shit up and its all good. Several went as far as to say the right was blowing the issue way out of proportion and nobody cares about the border except maga because they are racist. Of course they will be the very first hypocrites to scream when the left's media, who has misled them every step of the way, tries to portray trump as evil for cleaning up the mess. All of a sudden, the plight of immigrant kids will zoom to the top of their hypocritical, faux moral outrage, list of trump failures.
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Could you help us understand how sending immigrant kids back to Mexico better protects them from the cartels that control large parts of Mexico? Thanks in advance.
 
Hell, I'd like to see him put some real numbers like crime rates, numbers of illegals and the rest of what constitutes this crisis at the border. It sounds more like a tempest in a teacup when you look at the numbers that I can find.
 
finesse said:
Hell, I'd like to see him put some real numbers like crime rates, numbers of illegals and the rest of what constitutes this crisis at the border. It sounds more like a tempest in a teacup when you look at the numbers that I can find.
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Yea
But we won't-just scary made up crap
 
Gift Link —> Opinion | Don’t Do Trump’s Work for Him on Mass Deportations

Don’t Do Trump’s Work for Him on Mass Deportations​


“… Understand, first of all, that no change is needed to U.S. law to start the deportation process for every unauthorized immigrant in the United States. Being in the country without proper immigration status is a civil violation, and deportation is considered the civil penalty for it. Just as he did during his first term, Mr. Trump will almost certainly issue guidance to Immigration and Customs Enforcement that every unauthorized immigrant is fair game for arrest, and that deportable immigrants who happen to get caught up by ICE, even if agents aren’t specifically looking for that person, could also be detained.

ICE agents already have authority to conduct enforcement in residential and commercial areas; the reason they usually haven’t (even under Mr. Trump) is because those raids take a lot of planning for the frequently low numbers of people they actually nab. It requires far less effort to simply pick up immigrants from local jails, which is why ICE tends to prefer working with local law enforcement. Since some local police are more willing to cooperate than others, this makes deportation risk a matter of geography.

But the arrest of immigrants isn’t the same as their removal.

For most immigrants — those who haven’t been apprehended shortly after their arrival — deportation isn’t a quick process. It generally entails the right to a hearing before an immigration judge, to prove that the immigrants lack legal status and that they can’t apply for relief (such as asylum). In the meantime, they’re either released on supervision or held in immigration detention.

… In fiscal year 2024, Congress gave ICE the money for 41,500 detention beds. This is insufficient for anything that would constitute mass deportation. Extra holding facilities can be spun up as needed, but not immediately — and at higher cost (because of, say, noncompetitive contractor bids) than building a detention facility the usual way.

Immigration courts are famously backlogged, not least because that’s where asylum-seekers end up to present their cases. …

As of the end of September, 3.7 million people were waiting for their claims to be resolved. This includes an overwhelming majority of the recent border crossers whose arrival under President Biden so incensed Mr. Trump and his allies. They can try to rush their court cases through faster (though they’ll need people, meaning money, to do it), but there’s not much juice to squeeze in rounding up people who are already, legally speaking, in deportation proceedings. …”
 
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“… Many Trump critics are liable to wave off such considerations, because they assume that a second Trump administration will have no problem breaking the law en masse to deport large numbers of people. Even if true, that doesn’t exempt them from the logistical realities: beds in detention, seats on planes.

That this mass deportation will happen with no legal restraints, accountability or oversight is by no means a premise to be granted without contest. Because resigning oneself in advance to a maximalist vision of mass deportation helps accomplish the same goal: making immigrants feel they have no choice but to leave the United States.

There are two previous occasions in which the U.S. federal government can be said to have engaged in mass deportation — around the 1930s and the 1950s. Both entailed horrific conditions for those caught and deported, and the tearing apart of families with claims to both the United States and other countries. But in both cases, the federal government ultimately took credit for “deporting” some people it never actually laid hands on — those who had been pressured or terrorized into leaving.

In the 1930s, high-profile raids in Los Angeles didn’t net that many immigrants to deport — the real impact was in sending the message that raids might happen, leading some immigrants to pick up and leave and many more to stay home and out of the public eye.

In 1954 and 1955, the so-called Operation Wetback probably arrested and removed fewer immigrants than had been removed the year before — historians think of it as a retroactive P.R. campaign for the previous year’s efforts, but one that had effects of its own. In the first month of Operation Wetback, one historian estimates, 60,000 immigrants left Texas voluntarily — about as many as the government apprehended throughout the country per month. …”

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So-called self-deportation is an express goal. And I have no objection to encouraging self-deportation via generally more focused and better funded enforcement of US immigration laws that include basic due process. And I certainly have no objection to deporting anyone convicted of criminal activity in the U.S. (if that makes the most sense — it probably makes more sense for us to incarcerate a murderer than deport him and hope he doesn’t sneak back in again).

But if the means/ends approach bends toward terrorizing people and separating families and holding people in brutal conditions, then we have something different on our hands. We’ll see. Our best hope is that the Administration opens with some whiz bang raids on a few targeted cases for the PR rush and falls back to rational but increased enforcement actions consistent with existing law. But they certainly don’t sound like that is the plan.
 
Callatoroy said:
Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused. One of the absolute worst is the turning a blind eye to the devastation and horror imparted on kids due to cartels while this board pretended all along that there is no crisis at the border and the right is just making shit up and its all good. Several went as far as to say the right was blowing the issue way out of proportion and nobody cares about the border except maga because they are racist. Of course they will be the very first hypocrites to scream when the left's media, who has misled them every step of the way, tries to portray trump as evil for cleaning up the mess. All of a sudden, the plight of immigrant kids will zoom to the top of their hypocritical, faux moral outrage, list of trump failures.
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Would you shut the fuck up with your preening for once? You've constantly lamented how you want people to engage you in good faith and youll return it. Several have. Many have not. You respond to those who do engage thoughtfully with just as much MAGA vitriol as those who give you hell.

So just shut your fucking trap for once. You've proven yourself to be the problem, not anything remotely resembling the solution to it.
 


“…
America’s food-supply chain relies on a predominantly immigrant workforce for some of its most challenging jobs, such as picking fruit, applying pesticides on crops, operating machinery and slaughtering livestock. About two-thirds of U.S. crop-farm workers are foreign-born, and 42% aren’t legally authorized to work in the country, according to a Labor Department report.

Agriculture trade groups are lobbying the incoming administration for the expanded use of temporary work visas. Some farms and meatpackers are forging deeper ties with recruiters who can ensure a steady labor supply.

… During the first Trump administration, the plants were a target for immigration officials, who led raids of pork facilities in Ohio and a Mississippi plantowned by large poultry producer Koch Foods. In an interview with a New York television station earlier this month, Homan said he expects raids of meatpacking plants and other workplaces to occur again.

Desperate for labor in the Covid-19 pandemic’s wake, meat processors hired migrants from Haiti and other countries who could legally work in the U.S. under the Temporary Protected Status program, according to industry officials. Executives worry that, if Trump ends the program, it could jeopardize the legal status of the people working in their plants. …”
 
CFordUNC said:
My hope as it pertains to immigration is that the administration will deport the folks who are already slated for deportation and call it a win, and will then expend significant resources beefing up border patrol personnel, technological means of securing the border, and more immigration/asylum/work visa processing personnel. I won't agree with any needlessly cruel or inhumane methods, and I won't appreciate any performative political theater, but if Trump 2.0 figures out a way to solve (or make a lot of progress toward solving) our immigration issues, I'll happily tip my cap. It's obviously well-documented how much I don't approve of Trump as a person or as a leader, but as I keep saying, I am sincerely hoping that some good comes out of his second administration. I'm going to choose to look on the bright side until or unless given reason otherwise.
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That is my hope, as well.

1 ) Deport those already slated for deportation. Lie to the people that it was millions of blood thirsty rapists and murderers
2 ) Allow Congress to pass the border security bill and claim it as his own plan
 
heelinhell said:
That is my hope, as well.

1 ) Deport those already slated for deportation. Lie to the people that it was millions of blood thirsty rapists and murderers
2 ) Allow Congress to pass the border security bill and claim it as his own plan
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This works
 
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