Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Trump “Gold Card” path to citizenship for $5 million

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Enigma94 said:
Feels like future generations will be visiting this site as a warning of what can happen when xenophobia takes over.
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One of my most harrowing experiences was visiting the Dachau concentration camp. I'm confident that we will not build ovens to burn undocumented immigrants.

Nevertheless, I suspect visiting Trump's detention centers in the future will be a troubling and emotional experience.
 
Callatoroy said:
Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused. One of the absolute worst is the turning a blind eye to the devastation and horror imparted on kids due to cartels while this board pretended all along that there is no crisis at the border and the right is just making shit up and its all good. Several went as far as to say the right was blowing the issue way out of proportion and nobody cares about the border except maga because they are racist. Of course they will be the very first hypocrites to scream when the left's media, who has misled them every step of the way, tries to portray trump as evil for cleaning up the mess. All of a sudden, the plight of immigrant kids will zoom to the top of their hypocritical, faux moral outrage, list of trump failures.
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Absolute bullshit
 
CFordUNC said:
Mexico be like

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Yeah, Mexico wouldn't want to the inevitable civil war.

Fuck it, let Texas ride alone. I know that won't happen with a ttump autocracy, but I'm dead serious - let Texas go independent. Their oil and gas reserves will keep them going for a while, but we've all seen what happens to petro-states - they fall much more quickly than diversified economies. Yes, there's a substantial ag industry, but with how climate change is eating Texas alive, their ag industry is on tenuous grounds as South and West Texas experience desertification.
 
heelinhell said:
One of my most harrowing experiences was visiting the Dachau concentration camp. I'm confident that we will not build ovens to burn undocumented immigrants.

Nevertheless, I suspect visiting Trump's detention centers in the future will be a troubling and emotional experience.
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Yes, we should avoid referring to “concentration camps” as an analogy here. Maybe internment camps is a better analogy, though many (about half IIRC) of the folks in the Japanese internment camps in WWII were actually U.S. citizens.
 
CFordUNC said:
My hope as it pertains to immigration is that the administration will deport the folks who are already slated for deportation and call it a win, and will then expend significant resources beefing up border patrol personnel, technological means of securing the border, and more immigration/asylum/work visa processing personnel. I won't agree with any needlessly cruel or inhumane methods, and I won't appreciate any performative political theater, but if Trump 2.0 figures out a way to solve (or make a lot of progress toward solving) our immigration issues, I'll happily tip my cap. It's obviously well-documented how much I don't approve of Trump as a person or as a leader, but as I keep saying, I am sincerely hoping that some good comes out of his second administration. I'm going to choose to look on the bright side until or unless given reason otherwise.
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How will they afford to beef up border security when they are talking about cutting 2 trillion from the budget?

They can't pass anything like dreamers or guest worker programs because they did away with those and lied about how horrible they were.

I doubt it gets solved, it hasn't in the last 50 years.

If he does, and it's something of substance, not deporting 15 million people and sending the economy into a free fall, then I'll be happy that something is finally done. If something gets done, his part will probably be signing it. Thinking isn't his strong suit.
 
Callatoroy said:
Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused.
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It takes a real piece of shit to put "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" in quotation marks as if either of those aren't really a big deal, but damned if you didn't do it. Congrats. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't mind seeing your kids "separated" from you and "put in cages." I suspect you might drop your pathetic little quotation marks then, you miserable motherfucker. The only shocking thing is that you didn't put "human pain" in quotation marks. Human pain! How droll! Go fuck yourself..
 
nycfan said:


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America’s food-supply chain relies on a predominantly immigrant workforce for some of its most challenging jobs, such as picking fruit, applying pesticides on crops, operating machinery and slaughtering livestock. About two-thirds of U.S. crop-farm workers are foreign-born, and 42% aren’t legally authorized to work in the country, according to a Labor Department report.

Agriculture trade groups are lobbying the incoming administration for the expanded use of temporary work visas. Some farms and meatpackers are forging deeper ties with recruiters who can ensure a steady labor supply.

… During the first Trump administration, the plants were a target for immigration officials, who led raids of pork facilities in Ohio and a Mississippi plantowned by large poultry producer Koch Foods. In an interview with a New York television station earlier this month, Homan said he expects raids of meatpacking plants and other workplaces to occur again.

Desperate for labor in the Covid-19 pandemic’s wake, meat processors hired migrants from Haiti and other countries who could legally work in the U.S. under the Temporary Protected Status program, according to industry officials. Executives worry that, if Trump ends the program, it could jeopardize the legal status of the people working in their plants. …”
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Exactly right. Think about the level of inflation on the American consumer when Tariffs and disruption of the supply chain by idiotic deportations are implemented.
 
nycfan said:


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America’s food-supply chain relies on a predominantly immigrant workforce for some of its most challenging jobs, such as picking fruit, applying pesticides on crops, operating machinery and slaughtering livestock. About two-thirds of U.S. crop-farm workers are foreign-born, and 42% aren’t legally authorized to work in the country, according to a Labor Department report.

Agriculture trade groups are lobbying the incoming administration for the expanded use of temporary work visas. Some farms and meatpackers are forging deeper ties with recruiters who can ensure a steady labor supply.

… During the first Trump administration, the plants were a target for immigration officials, who led raids of pork facilities in Ohio and a Mississippi plantowned by large poultry producer Koch Foods. In an interview with a New York television station earlier this month, Homan said he expects raids of meatpacking plants and other workplaces to occur again.

Desperate for labor in the Covid-19 pandemic’s wake, meat processors hired migrants from Haiti and other countries who could legally work in the U.S. under the Temporary Protected Status program, according to industry officials. Executives worry that, if Trump ends the program, it could jeopardize the legal status of the people working in their plants. …”
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No shit. This is what many people have been saying for years and years will happen if you eliminate immigrant labor nationwide. And while it has been brought up here many times, it's worth repeating that the GOP-controlled Alabama state government already tried doing this in 2010 and it was such a disaster that the state's farmers - many of whom were Republicans - ended up begging the state government to back off, as their crops were literally rotting in the fields and they couldn't find enough workers to pick them. I believe another state ended up using prison labor to pick the crops, but that didn't come close to solving the problem either. I've already seen posts from Trumpers about this claiming that there will be more than enough US workers who will be willing to replace immigrants doing this. I think they're deluded and are going to be very sadly mistaken.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
No shit. This is what many people have been saying for years and years will happen if you eliminate immigrant labor nationwide. And while it has been brought up here many times, it's worth repeating that the GOP-controlled Alabama state government already tried doing this in 2010 and it was such a disaster that the state's farmers - many of whom were Republicans - ended up begging the state government to back off, as their crops were literally rotting in the fields and they couldn't find enough workers to pick them. I believe another state ended up using prison labor to pick the crops, but that didn't come close to solving the problem either. I've already seen posts from Trumpers about this claiming that there will be more than enough US workers who will be willing to replace immigrants doing this. I think they're deluded and are going to be very sadly mistaken.
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I know two guys that worked in meat packing plants
Cause they were prisoners in the NC Correctional system You have gloves-but your arms are stuck in 35 degree water as you cut and slice constantly.I seriously think they build on at least 1 carpel tunnel surgey per employee every couple years
 
superrific said:
Trump is such a fucking idiot. He is so easily played.
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He is about the performance — “reality” tv governance by pretense (and straight up disinformation as suits). He has already shown he will misrepresent his calls with foreign leaders and sort of dare them to correct the record, so who knows what was actually discussed and agreed.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I've already seen posts from Trumpers about this claiming that there will be more than enough US workers who will be willing to replace immigrants doing this. I think they're deluded and are going to be very sadly mistaken.
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Oh that’s hilarious. Plenty of farms have tried getting non-migrant labor and paying decent wages, but nobody wants to do it.

I remember one particular case where they had lined up a bunch of US workers to come pick crops for like $15 an hour. Only a couple of people who were hired showed up, and of those only one came back the next day, but he didn’t come back again after that.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
No shit. This is what many people have been saying for years and years will happen if you eliminate immigrant labor nationwide. And while it has been brought up here many times, it's worth repeating that the GOP-controlled Alabama state government already tried doing this in 2010 and it was such a disaster that the state's farmers - many of whom were Republicans - ended up begging the state government to back off, as their crops were literally rotting in the fields and they couldn't find enough workers to pick them. I believe another state ended up using prison labor to pick the crops, but that didn't come close to solving the problem either. I've already seen posts from Trumpers about this claiming that there will be more than enough US workers who will be willing to replace immigrants doing this. I think they're deluded and are going to be very sadly mistaken.
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OGtruthhurts is absolutely convinced Americans will be lining up for these jobs once they become available.
 
mpaer said:
I know two guys that worked in meat packing plants
Cause they were prisoners in the NC Correctional system You have gloves-but your arms are stuck in 35 degree water as you cut and slice constantly.I seriously think they build on at least 1 carpel tunnel surgey per employee every couple years
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I'm a big fan of using prison labor to pick crops, meat packing, etc. Paying them the going rate, taking the money and putting it in a fund to support their burden to the state, pay restitution where applicable, and investing it for them so that when they get out they actually have something to begin a new life with rather than giving them $200 and a bus ticket (if that type of thing is done anymore)
 
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