EyeballKid
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and what do you propose?
Mass deportation seems like a sure-fire way to kill off a lot of businesses that depend on their labor, and will cause inflation to skyrocket.
Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Trump “Gold Card” path to citizenship for $5 million
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Mass deportation seems like a sure-fire way to kill off a lot of businesses that depend on their labor, and will cause inflation to skyrocket.
I understand that they are illegal. You don't understand my point about drive and ambition. And yes, they are doing jobs others won't. Don't tell that trash to someone in construction for 45 years. I worked around and with enough people of all types to have a damned good sense of who will do what. I also doubt any of the ones I worked around in the last 20 years were only making 50 dollars.
BlooVooDoo
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So how much higher do wages need to be, in whatever field you work in, before reliable American workers will do the job? How much will that increase the price a customer pays for a typical service/job?
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I don’t know what your business is where undocumented workers were not paying taxes. I took over a company full of undocumented Mexicans, Salvadorans and Nicaraguans (who all hated each other) and they all got ADP payroll checks with federal state and FICA/Medicare withholding and the company paid in its share of FICA and Medicare contributions for each employee. They all had submitted I-9 forms using fake Social Security numbers.
I implemented a simple system for screening applicants much more thoroughly to insure they were eligible to work in this country legally. I didn’t allow applications to be taken home and brought back in already filled out for somebody's “cousin” who was a man but the application was filled out in an obviously woman’s handwriting. I required applicants to fill out the application (available in Spanish or English) themselves, on-site with no one else in the room. Then I would briefly interview them with the application in my hands by asking them their address, SS#, etc which they frequently couldn’t repeat since all they knew was a number written on a paper they had copied onto the application (my assistant was bilingual and would handle any needed translation.)
Once they realized I wasn’t playing the wink and nod game with them and their “cousin” realized their referral wasn’t getting hired, word got around pretty quickly that we didn’t hire people with fake documents and we started to clean it up. Of course this would have been resolved by a robust eVerify system but business owners (and conservative organizations like the Cato Institute) have opposed eVerify for “ideological reasons”. E-Verify is required for anyon working for the federal government or for those employees working on a government contract at a private employer. 22 states also require it for state employees and those working on state contracts. That is why road construction crews often look very different from construction crews working on privately funded projects.
I have always said if you want to end illegal immigration, you have to go after the employers. Other than those seeking asylum, immigrants come here for jobs. If there are no jobs the immigrants stop coming. How do we stop those illegally immigrating to fill jobs? By prosecuting and jailing those who knowingly hire them. Swift meat-packing plants in the Midwest were raided and 1300 illegal workers who had passed eVerify were found. Employers don’t want to fix eVerify, politicians don’t want to fix eVerify. They can look tough on immigration by being in favor of it while allowing it to operate with low functionality so the Republican business owners (known as “entrepreneurs” in GOP lingo) who are hiring all the illegal workers can have deniability that they knowingly hire these workers. Why do politicians not go after those who hire illegal workers? Because those are the people who contribute to Republican politicians.
This whole “stop illegal immigration” and “deport illegals” BS is a scam. It is just more political theater designed to keep working class white people believing Republicans are on their side. That’s why the bipartisan immigration bill was scrapped. You will know they are serious when they impose penalties (including incarceration) for the people who knowingly hire illegal workers. But liked so many other BS issues, none of it will change until we have genuine campaign finance reform in this country. Always follow the money.
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First off, this is a very incorrect broad brush. In many areas, the folks doing these jobs are VERY well paid regardless of their origin.
However, let's take your assertion at face value and say that these jobs can be filled with higher wage Americans. Where do those higher wages come from? And we arent talking marginally higher wages according to you...we are talking huge (again, according to you) leaps in wage. Won't the contractors and farmers have to dramatically raise the cost of their goods and services?
Furthermore, since unemployment is pretty danged low, what sector will these folks move from and what will those employers do for labor? It would seem they would have to also raise wages substantially to prevent loss of workforce.
Then all the other consumers must pay for these increased costs because they might be able to avoid construction and landscaping but they surely can't avoid food.
Isn't this precisely the kind of inflationary argument routinely made against large mandatory increases in minimum wage?
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And orangeturd will not do touch SWIFT etc So I guess he will have practically a Hollywood production team figuring how to round a bunch of folks somehwere with Cameras rolling. I am being serious
Maybe start with Latino Homeless sites ??? Do they exist?
None of his voters want to put Leaf Blower or Roofing operations out of business either-or restaurants-or Nursing homes
It will be a phony BS operation
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I understand why you try to justify hiring them. Its nothing more than a cop out. Condoning hiring an illegal is as unAmerican as it gets in my book regardless of what they are getting paid. Reality is that most of the illegals are working at below minimum wage across the nation. Just because some are making a livable wage doesnt excuse the fact that you are hiring illegals and knowingly breaking the law. Its no different than being against child labor, but buying Nikes nevertheless.
Who has suggested that it was okay to hire illegals? No one on this page.
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Im not trying to justify anything at all. I'm asking you the most surface level questions that will have to be answered of you remove millions of people (any people) from being workers in those industries.
What are your proposals to counter these easily foreseeable outcomes?
Oh, and the fact that these outcomes are so easily foreseeable is the reason nothing has been done by either party and the reason why it is laughable to think the Trump administration will follow through.
You want to turn the ENTIRE central part of the country blue in one election? Remove undocumented field workers. Pubs know this and thus will never tackle it.
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Again, they are doing jobs at a lot lesser pay across the board so dont tell me others wont do the job. They wont do it for that level of pay, correct. Just because you know a few who are paid fairly doesnt mean jack, jack. Reality is the majority are not paid fairly so people can make lots of money off of them. We do agree that the people hiring them illegally are to blame.
So your "experience" counts but not anybody else? Your eyes have to be brown.
What would paying those wages do to inflation? Why are you sure that would be enough? Can you grasp the concept that the irredeemably lazy that are native here are weeded out in large part by the very process of immigration?
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Kristen Welker interviewed orangeturd He said deportations will begin with Murderers and rapists, Of course no one has any idea who these folks are-or they would have been arrested-yes even in "sanctuary cities'
So a bunch of ICE guys are going to be the brillant detectives that suddenly "find" all these murderers and rapists Because they can do a better job than NYC detectives .... you bet
So a bunch of ICE guys are going to be the brillant detectives that suddenly "find" all these murderers and rapists Because they can do a better job than NYC detectives .... you bet
BlooVooDoo
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I’ll ask again. How much more do the jobs need to pay before reliable American workers will do them? What does that add to the cost typical customers pay for the service you provide?
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Everyone has a choice to hire illegals and you are 100% correct no party is going to do anything about it because its about nothing more than greed which both parties are controlled by. Illegals are no diff than guns and drugs...each are too engrained into our way of life. The people saying they are doing jobs legals wont do are fucking lying and are the very people hiring them illegally and profiting greatly from their misfortunes. Lets just be transparent about it and say the large majority are doing jobs at a shit wage so we can make more money. Kudos if you are hiring illegals and paying them a living wage, but you are still breaking a law, albeit a law not enforced. I have made a choice to hire vets who will do shit jobs at a very livable wage at my expense. Ive never had a problem finding workers.....never. i would have a huge problem finding vets who will do shit jobs at a wage illegals will do.
I'd argue that if they committed the murder/rape here that we should incarcerate them unless their host country agrees to jail them there..otherwise I'd worry that if we deport them they will be back in 3 months.
ChapelHillSooner
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They think these there are a bunch of undocumented murderers and rapists who served their time and then were allowed back in the US population.
Just delusional thinking.
Conversely, we have sheriffs in large metros that are refusing to work with ICE when they have 'bad hombres' that are booked for offenses like DUI, assault, theft, or even driving around without insurance. That needs to change.
You are full of shit. My company has made repeated efforts to hire vets, ex-cons, basically anyone. It is a light commercial operation in a relatively large city and we struggle to find anyone to fill line positions - many at wages well above minimum with as much OT as you want and ample opportunity to move up with the least bit of initiative. Well, we have a decent percentage of Venezuelan asylum seekers (some Ukes and SE Asians) and they are BY FAR the best people we have. Only ones who consistently show up on time and work hard all shift. They pay taxes like anyone else and are massive contributors to the economy. We E-verify, so we wind up turning down dozens of folks showing up who want to earn $13-$16/hour with benefits. In a relatively poor part of town, but few American citizens seem interested.
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The following example has been posted repeatedly on here to illustrate what mass deportation and cracking down on illegal immigrants does to the economy, but Trumpers just keep conveniently ignoring it. In 2010 Alabama's GOP state government decided to do a major crackdown on illegal immigrants in the state. And it was a disaster. Within weeks farmers (many of them Republican) were complaining that their crops were rotting in the fields because they couldn't find people to pick them, and they started begging the state government to back off. I believe at one point the state was reduced to using convict labor to try and pick crops, but that was a failure too. Eventually the state government relented and backed off. The notion that businesses that rely on immigrant labor will be able to find nearly enough Americans to replace the lost labor is delusional, imo.