Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Trump “Gold Card” path to citizenship for $5 million

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gtyellowjacket said:
That opens them up to exploitation by employers who basically hold the sword of deportation over their heads. And it puts legal workers in competition with workers that can be treated like something on the bottom of your shoe. Of course that is basically happening today so maybe little change.
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Isn’t that what we are already doing with Indian tech workers via H1B?
 
superrific said:
Folks, this is what I've been talking about. Most of these people are not reachable. This assclown has had the bill explained to him many times; he still has no idea what's in it; he can't for his life offer any real critique of it; and he doesn't care in the slightest.

All this talk about better messaging assumes that there's an audience listening. They aren't. They just parse through everything looking to be outraged about something. Again.
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Not only that, it’s been explained to him and others repeatedly that the bill came to be because Mitch McConnell tapped Jim Lankford, one of the most hard core conservative Senators from one of the deepest red states in the country, to create the bill, and it was created with the Democrats literally surrendering on everything- they gave away the whole farm!- and getting nothing in return. In other words, it was the stuff of Republican wet dreams. And they still wouldn’t pass it because Trump told them not to. Now, as it turns out, it was damn smart shrewed politics because it worked in their favor. But just because it worked, and just because it was shrewd to tank it, does not mean that it wasn’t the absolute best bill the Republican party has ever, or will ever, be able to reasonably pass. And yet every single right wing dumb fuck on this board talks about it like it was some Marxist piece of legislation.
 
Callatoroy said:
Because you can't deport 15 million in a vacuum. You can legally bring people in for those you deport where needed.
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Or rather than going through all those gyrations and all that cost, we could just find a way to make those who are already here and doing those jobs legal and be done with it. But leave it to Republicans to figure out a way to go around their elbow to get to their asshole.
 
NCK9 said:
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Serious question. What are the ethics behind investing in this stock? I would not do it personally and I have no idea how sound that would be. If I had to guess, it would have a very big upside for a low probability event and a bigger chance of losing the recent gains which is a significant lbut limited loss. But someone who was willing to take a risk might find it one worth taking.

Also, IMO, one word completely changes the ethics. When the founder used the word "millions" that means he would be complicit in an action that would almost certainly be a significant crime against humanity. The concentration camps required would be unbelievably massive and could not be run in a humane way. (And, no, I am not saying these would be intentional death camps but they almost certainly would not pass humane standards.)
 
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mpaer said:
Well there are "too good" to stoop to such jobs of course
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I would say this. If the economy gets as bad as I think it will, we will find people who will take those jobs because the population will be desperate.

That is not a good thing.

I am 53 and would (as humbly as possible) say I am in very good shape for my age, but I don't know what I could do and not do. But if I could do it and were desperate, I would take a job working construction or doing farm labor. It wouldn't pay the bills but it could subsidize whatever I would have to early withdraw from my 401k. I would also have to consider whether the situation with my son would allow me to do so.
 
NCK9 said:
Isn’t that what we are already doing with Indian tech workers via H1B?
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I would guess that tech workers in general have more power due to their skill level than the average migrant worker has. Lot easier to exploit a low skill worker because finding another is so easy.

This reminds me. I wouldn't put it past Trump to allow some to stay but with conditions that would make them easily exploitable. Say losing a job requires immediate deportation and requires employees to report any change in job status. Have a list of deported immigrants on a waiting list to immediately fill any deportation. That would only work if we deported most of the existing workforce. Goodness it would make so much sense and be so evil.
 
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ChapelHillSooner said:
Serious question. What are the ethics behind investing in this stock? I would not do it personally and I have no idea how sound that would be. If I had to guess, it would have a very big upside for a low probability event and a bigger chance of losing the recent gains which is a significant lbut limited loss. But someone who was willing to take a risk might find it one worth taking.

Also, IMO, one word completely changes the ethics. When the founder used the word "millions" that means he would be complicit in an action that would almost certainly be a significant crime against humanity. The concentration camps required would be unbelievably massive and could not be run in a humane way. (And, no, I am not saying these would be intentional death camps but they almost certainly would not pass humane standards.)
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I expect this slogan will make a comeback.

Arbeit macht frei.
 
CFordUNC said:
Not only that, it’s been explained to him and others repeatedly that the bill came to be because Mitch McConnell tapped Jim Lankford, one of the most hard core conservative Senators from one of the deepest red states in the country, to create the bill, and it was created with the Democrats literally surrendering on everything- they gave away the whole farm!- and getting nothing in return. In other words, it was the stuff of Republican wet dreams. And they still wouldn’t pass it because Trump told them not to. Now, as it turns out, it was damn smart shrewed politics because it worked in their favor. But just because it worked, and just because it was shrewd to tank it, does not mean that it wasn’t the absolute best bill the Republican party has ever, or will ever, be able to reasonably pass. And yet every single right wing dumb fuck on this board talks about it like it was some Marxist piece of legislation.
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Are you still trying to sell this horseshit, Avery Whitbourne? You think people didn’t realize this bill, put forth three years into a Presidency infamous for allowing people to stream across our borders, was nothing more than an attempt to enshrine most of Biden’s failed policies into law, topped with a few sprinkles to make it seem more palatable? Lankford himself backed away from this stinker. It didn’t end catch-and-release. It would’ve allowed administrations to continue to create more parole-type programs in order to admit people without visas or proper documentation. It limited Presidential powers to shut down the border unless the average crossings per day climbed above 4,000 (and didn’t automatically shut down until that number reached 5,000). That’s about 1.8 million immigrants guaranteed entry every year, ensuring near historic, record-levels would be admitted yearly . It was just an atrocious bill; an attempt to place Biden’s failed policies into law that would hamstring future attempts to actually “solve” the issue. Anyone with half a brain saw this for what it was.
 
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Croatoan said:
Are you still trying to sell this horseshit, Avery Whitbourne? You think people didn’t realize this bill, put forth three years into a Presidency infamous for allowing people to stream across our borders, was nothing more than an attempt to enshrine most of Biden’s failed policies into law, topped with a few sprinkles to make it seem more palatable? Lankford himself backed away from this stinker. It didn’t end catch-and-release. It would’ve allowed administration’s to continue to create more parole-type programs in order to admit people without visas or proper documentation. It limited Presidential powers to shut down the border unless the average crossings per day climbed above 4,000 (and didn’t automatically shut down until that number reached 5,000). That’s about 1.8 million immigrants guaranteed entry every year, ensuring near historic, record-levels would be admitted yearly . It was just an atrocious bill; an attempt to place Biden’s failed policies into law that would hamstring future attempts to actually “solve” the issue. Anyone with half a brain saw this for what it was.
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Who told you?
 
Croatoan said:
Are you still trying to sell this horseshit, Avery Whitbourne? You think people didn’t realize this bill, put forth three years into a Presidency infamous for allowing people to stream across our borders, was nothing more than an attempt to enshrine most of Biden’s failed policies into law, topped with a few sprinkles to make it seem more palatable? Lankford himself backed away from this stinker. It didn’t end catch-and-release. It would’ve allowed administrations to continue to create more parole-type programs in order to admit people without visas or proper documentation. It limited Presidential powers to shut down the border unless the average crossings per day climbed above 4,000 (and didn’t automatically shut down until that number reached 5,000). That’s about 1.8 million immigrants guaranteed entry every year, ensuring near historic, record-levels would be admitted yearly . It was just an atrocious bill; an attempt to place Biden’s failed policies into law that would hamstring future attempts to actually “solve” the issue. Anyone with half a brain saw this for what it was.
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I’m going to tell you this one more time, cocksucker. I don’t know what deficit or what void you have in your life that causes you to continually follow me around this board trying to gargle my balls and only my balls in particular, but you need to get some help. I don’t have any interest in discussing any policy points with you. Go find somebody else’s dick to try to suck, or better yet, go take a long walk off a short pier. You’ll be doing a lot of people a favor.
 
I have 40 vets working for me and will not hire an ILLEGAL. Could I make more money hiring them? Of course. It all boils down to pure greed. My industry is full of low paid illegals and none of them pay taxes. If you hire ILLEGALS then you are part of the problem. Saying they are doing jobs nobody wants is true but the context is they are doing jobs at a poverty wage that nobody wants. Its just an easy cop out to say nobody will work but illegals. Illegals are the only ones who will work for poverty wages, true.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
I have 40 vets working for me and will not hire an ILLEGAL. Could I make more money hiring them? Of course. It all boils down to pure greed. My industry is full of low paid illegals and none of them pay taxes. If you hire ILLEGALS then you are part of the problem. Saying they are doing jobs nobody wants is true but the context is they are doing jobs at a poverty wage that nobody wants. Its just an easy cop out to say nobody will work but illegals. Illegals are the only ones who will work for poverty wages, true.
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I'd rather have a guest worker program rather than having illegals do it. You have to admit that there is something to admire about someone of any race, religion or nationality who will take everything he owns and leave everything he knows behind for a better chance and then work almost any kind of job. Those people aren't taking that job if someone here won't drive or move 50 miles to take it. They're earning it.
 
nycfan said:


“… The behind-the-scenes discussions, which started months before the election and have picked up in the days since Trump’s victory, include policy changes required to increase deportations, according to people working on the presidential transition, members of Congress and others close to the president-elect.

… Among the changes: revoking a Biden administration policy directing U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement not to pursue immigrants in the country illegally who haven’t committed other crimes, and making changes to the immigration court system to speed up cases. Trump’s allies have said they are planning first to focus on immigrants in the country illegally who have received final orders of deportation from an immigration court, of which there are about 1.3 million, as well as those with other criminal convictions or charges. …”
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I thought Mexico was going to pay to remove all them Mexicans and other browns. /s
 
finesse said:
I'd rather have a guest worker program rather than having illegals do it. You have to admit that there is something to admire about someone of any race, religion or nationality who will take everything he owns and leave everything he knows behind for a better chance and then work almost any kind of job. Those people aren't taking that job if someone here won't drive or move 50 miles to take it. They're earning it.
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They are ILLEGAL plain an simple. $50 a day cash working in the fields is a lot of money to someone who made $1 in central america. Again, they are not doing jobs legals will not do. They are doing jobs at a well below living wage in America that legals wont do. Regardless, they are illegals that so-called law abiding Americans are hiring.
 
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