Mass Deportation - Planning underway— Tom Homan to be “Border Czar”

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superrific said:
Does the president have full power to hire or fire military leaders at will? I've never considered that issue before. There have to be some limits, right? Maybe not.
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10 USC §1161​

§1161. Commissioned officers: limitations on dismissal​

(a) No commissioned officer may be dismissed from any armed force except-

(1) by sentence of a general court-martial;

(2) in commutation of a sentence of a general court-martial; or

(3) in time of war, by order of the President.
 
superrific said:
Does the president have full power to hire or fire military leaders at will? I've never considered that issue before. There have to be some limits, right? Maybe not.
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POTUS can’t easily remove someone from the Army, but can reassign them to a broom closet at Ft. Johnson (formerly Polk).
 
superrific said:
That remains to be seen. It depends on how he wants to use it. One would hope that our top brass would refuse to follow illegal orders.
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What do the vast majority of the military think about Trump? I know some retired military, ex-military, and just a few active duty folks, they all seem to be either pretty apolitical or generally ok with Trump. But I am asking about the top dogs, like what do they think about Trump. During the Bush administration, I knew active duty, lower on the totem pole guys that were evenly split on GWB, but the few higher ups I knew at the time were generally pretty Pro-GWB/Cheney. But I am not as connected as I was then while in college and doing internships with congressional reps. Just didn;t know if you had any insight here? I can't imagine the top brass would be real thrilled with him.
 
I looked up the section in P2025 and it states that they will reduce the number of high ranking officers by cutting back the number of promotions to Colonel and above. (Side note: That can’t be popular among Lt Colonels.)

Didn’t actually see anything that talked about firing generals so I will take that part back.

Still have my suspicions that that will be coming but will not claim that firing generals is a stated goal.
 
Calheel said:

10 USC §1161​

§1161. Commissioned officers: limitations on dismissal​

(a) No commissioned officer may be dismissed from any armed force except-

(1) by sentence of a general court-martial;

(2) in commutation of a sentence of a general court-martial; or

(3) in time of war, by order of the President.
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he could also bring them up on whatever charges they see fit. It's not like fascists have an honor code.
 
altmin said:
he could also bring them up on whatever charges they see fit. It's not like fascists have an honor code.
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Maybe, but Judge Advocates who would prosecute such cases are probably the most anti-Trump area of the Army. The lesser-known Vindman brother was a JAG and very popular within the JAG community. Military judges also don’t work the same way as the rest of the federal judiciary, as they are not appointed by POTUS, but rather by the Judge Advocate General, and a new TJAG just started a new 5 year term this year. Thats not to say there aren’t pro-Trump JAGs, but they’re definitely rarer than pro-Trumpers in other parts of the Army.
 
Calheel said:

10 USC §1161​

§1161. Commissioned officers: limitations on dismissal​

(a) No commissioned officer may be dismissed from any armed force except-

(1) by sentence of a general court-martial;

(2) in commutation of a sentence of a general court-martial; or

(3) in time of war, by order of the President.
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What about the 'up or out' system? Was that just an informal policy where they give you a crap assignment to get you out if you weren't getting promoted?
 
NCK9 said:
What about the 'up or out' system? Was that just an informal policy where they give you a crap assignment to get you out if you weren't getting promoted?
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I think for officers you could remain but would be dropped down to enlisted rank.

Obviously not many would choose that route.
 
Calheel said:
That seems more likely than Trump just ignoring court orders
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Trump, Homan, Miller, etc These guys seem like people who will stop just because some judge says so? I fully expect this administration to ignore any court order that they don't like. At the same time, they will try to enforce court orders that support whatever they want to do.
 
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Getting worked up over nothing. Trump will throw his pigs some slop just like he originally did with the wall....then he will go golfing
 
OGtruthhurts said:
Getting worked up over nothing. Trump will throw his pigs some slop just like he originally did with the wall....then he will go golfing
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Trump can go golfing all he wants—he’ll let his advisers and henchmen do all the dirty work and he’ll just have a big press conference where he signs a bill or whatever. It’s precisely what he did last time around.

Difference is that his advisers and henchmen have a set of guiding principles in Project 2025 that they didn’t have before, and they’ll face much less resistance this time around because they’ve already rooted out anyone who doesn’t swear allegiance to Trump.
 
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EhringhausSouth said:
What do the vast majority of the military think about Trump? I know some retired military, ex-military, and just a few active duty folks, they all seem to be either pretty apolitical or generally ok with Trump. But I am asking about the top dogs, like what do they think about Trump.
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ChapelHillSooner said:
I looked up the section in P2025 and it states that they will reduce the number of high ranking officers by cutting back the number of promotions to Colonel and above. (Side note: That can’t be popular among Lt Colonels.)

Didn’t actually see anything that talked about firing generals so I will take that part back.

Still have my suspicions that that will be coming but will not claim that firing generals is a stated goal.
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Looks like they will in fact be purging generals.

The open question is whether this is just an anti-DEI move or if the purges will be based on a personal loyalty test.

Plenty of people are worried about the latter and as I have said that would give Trump authoritarian power when considering conviction on impeachment is an impossibility and the total immunity ruling.
 
I believe the deportation of illegals should start in the prisons. Deport them first, then go after homeless illegals. IMO, if an illegal can show they are working and are being productive, they should be given the opportunity to apply for citizenship at that time.
 
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