Mass Deportation - Planning underway— Tom Homan to be “Border Czar”

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“… Many Trump critics are liable to wave off such considerations, because they assume that a second Trump administration will have no problem breaking the law en masse to deport large numbers of people. Even if true, that doesn’t exempt them from the logistical realities: beds in detention, seats on planes.

That this mass deportation will happen with no legal restraints, accountability or oversight is by no means a premise to be granted without contest. Because resigning oneself in advance to a maximalist vision of mass deportation helps accomplish the same goal: making immigrants feel they have no choice but to leave the United States.

There are two previous occasions in which the U.S. federal government can be said to have engaged in mass deportation — around the 1930s and the 1950s. Both entailed horrific conditions for those caught and deported, and the tearing apart of families with claims to both the United States and other countries. But in both cases, the federal government ultimately took credit for “deporting” some people it never actually laid hands on — those who had been pressured or terrorized into leaving.

In the 1930s, high-profile raids in Los Angeles didn’t net that many immigrants to deport — the real impact was in sending the message that raids might happen, leading some immigrants to pick up and leave and many more to stay home and out of the public eye.

In 1954 and 1955, the so-called Operation Wetback probably arrested and removed fewer immigrants than had been removed the year before — historians think of it as a retroactive P.R. campaign for the previous year’s efforts, but one that had effects of its own. In the first month of Operation Wetback, one historian estimates, 60,000 immigrants left Texas voluntarily — about as many as the government apprehended throughout the country per month. …”

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So-called self-deportation is an express goal. And I have no objection to encouraging self-deportation via generally more focused and better funded enforcement of US immigration laws that include basic due process. And I certainly have no objection to deporting anyone convicted of criminal activity in the U.S. (if that makes the most sense — it probably makes more sense for us to incarcerate a murderer than deport him and hope he doesn’t sneak back in again).

But if the means/ends approach bends toward terrorizing people and separating families and holding people in brutal conditions, then we have something different on our hands. We’ll see. Our best hope is that the Administration opens with some whiz bang raids on a few targeted cases for the PR rush and falls back to rational but increased enforcement actions consistent with existing law. But they certainly don’t sound like that is the plan.
 
Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused. One of the absolute worst is the turning a blind eye to the devastation and horror imparted on kids due to cartels while this board pretended all along that there is no crisis at the border and the right is just making shit up and its all good. Several went as far as to say the right was blowing the issue way out of proportion and nobody cares about the border except maga because they are racist. Of course they will be the very first hypocrites to scream when the left's media, who has misled them every step of the way, tries to portray trump as evil for cleaning up the mess. All of a sudden, the plight of immigrant kids will zoom to the top of their hypocritical, faux moral outrage, list of trump failures.
Would you shut the fuck up with your preening for once? You've constantly lamented how you want people to engage you in good faith and youll return it. Several have. Many have not. You respond to those who do engage thoughtfully with just as much MAGA vitriol as those who give you hell.

So just shut your fucking trap for once. You've proven yourself to be the problem, not anything remotely resembling the solution to it.
 


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America’s food-supply chain relies on a predominantly immigrant workforce for some of its most challenging jobs, such as picking fruit, applying pesticides on crops, operating machinery and slaughtering livestock. About two-thirds of U.S. crop-farm workers are foreign-born, and 42% aren’t legally authorized to work in the country, according to a Labor Department report.

Agriculture trade groups are lobbying the incoming administration for the expanded use of temporary work visas. Some farms and meatpackers are forging deeper ties with recruiters who can ensure a steady labor supply.

… During the first Trump administration, the plants were a target for immigration officials, who led raids of pork facilities in Ohio and a Mississippi plantowned by large poultry producer Koch Foods. In an interview with a New York television station earlier this month, Homan said he expects raids of meatpacking plants and other workplaces to occur again.

Desperate for labor in the Covid-19 pandemic’s wake, meat processors hired migrants from Haiti and other countries who could legally work in the U.S. under the Temporary Protected Status program, according to industry officials. Executives worry that, if Trump ends the program, it could jeopardize the legal status of the people working in their plants. …”
 
My hope as it pertains to immigration is that the administration will deport the folks who are already slated for deportation and call it a win, and will then expend significant resources beefing up border patrol personnel, technological means of securing the border, and more immigration/asylum/work visa processing personnel. I won't agree with any needlessly cruel or inhumane methods, and I won't appreciate any performative political theater, but if Trump 2.0 figures out a way to solve (or make a lot of progress toward solving) our immigration issues, I'll happily tip my cap. It's obviously well-documented how much I don't approve of Trump as a person or as a leader, but as I keep saying, I am sincerely hoping that some good comes out of his second administration. I'm going to choose to look on the bright side until or unless given reason otherwise.
That is my hope, as well.

1 ) Deport those already slated for deportation. Lie to the people that it was millions of blood thirsty rapists and murderers
2 ) Allow Congress to pass the border security bill and claim it as his own plan
 
That is my hope, as well.

1 ) Deport those already slated for deportation. Lie to the people that it was millions of blood thirsty rapists and murderers
2 ) Allow Congress to pass the border security bill and claim it as his own plan
This works
 
Feels like future generations will be visiting this site as a warning of what can happen when xenophobia takes over.
One of my most harrowing experiences was visiting the Dachau concentration camp. I'm confident that we will not build ovens to burn undocumented immigrants.

Nevertheless, I suspect visiting Trump's detention centers in the future will be a troubling and emotional experience.
 
Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused. One of the absolute worst is the turning a blind eye to the devastation and horror imparted on kids due to cartels while this board pretended all along that there is no crisis at the border and the right is just making shit up and its all good. Several went as far as to say the right was blowing the issue way out of proportion and nobody cares about the border except maga because they are racist. Of course they will be the very first hypocrites to scream when the left's media, who has misled them every step of the way, tries to portray trump as evil for cleaning up the mess. All of a sudden, the plight of immigrant kids will zoom to the top of their hypocritical, faux moral outrage, list of trump failures.
Absolute bullshit
 
Mexico be like

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Yeah, Mexico wouldn't want to the inevitable civil war.

Fuck it, let Texas ride alone. I know that won't happen with a ttump autocracy, but I'm dead serious - let Texas go independent. Their oil and gas reserves will keep them going for a while, but we've all seen what happens to petro-states - they fall much more quickly than diversified economies. Yes, there's a substantial ag industry, but with how climate change is eating Texas alive, their ag industry is on tenuous grounds as South and West Texas experience desertification.
 
One of my most harrowing experiences was visiting the Dachau concentration camp. I'm confident that we will not build ovens to burn undocumented immigrants.

Nevertheless, I suspect visiting Trump's detention centers in the future will be a troubling and emotional experience.
Yes, we should avoid referring to “concentration camps” as an analogy here. Maybe internment camps is a better analogy, though many (about half IIRC) of the folks in the Japanese internment camps in WWII were actually U.S. citizens.
 
My hope as it pertains to immigration is that the administration will deport the folks who are already slated for deportation and call it a win, and will then expend significant resources beefing up border patrol personnel, technological means of securing the border, and more immigration/asylum/work visa processing personnel. I won't agree with any needlessly cruel or inhumane methods, and I won't appreciate any performative political theater, but if Trump 2.0 figures out a way to solve (or make a lot of progress toward solving) our immigration issues, I'll happily tip my cap. It's obviously well-documented how much I don't approve of Trump as a person or as a leader, but as I keep saying, I am sincerely hoping that some good comes out of his second administration. I'm going to choose to look on the bright side until or unless given reason otherwise.
How will they afford to beef up border security when they are talking about cutting 2 trillion from the budget?

They can't pass anything like dreamers or guest worker programs because they did away with those and lied about how horrible they were.

I doubt it gets solved, it hasn't in the last 50 years.

If he does, and it's something of substance, not deporting 15 million people and sending the economy into a free fall, then I'll be happy that something is finally done. If something gets done, his part will probably be signing it. Thinking isn't his strong suit.
 
Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused.
It takes a real piece of shit to put "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" in quotation marks as if either of those aren't really a big deal, but damned if you didn't do it. Congrats. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't mind seeing your kids "separated" from you and "put in cages." I suspect you might drop your pathetic little quotation marks then, you miserable motherfucker. The only shocking thing is that you didn't put "human pain" in quotation marks. Human pain! How droll! Go fuck yourself..
 
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