Mass Deportation - Planning underway— Tom Homan to be “Border Czar”

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UNCatTech said:
Why is there never a mention of actually reforming the immigration system so those who want to come here and work have a clear path to do so?
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True reform needs to happen, which would have require Congress.

I'm just saying, in principle, I don't an issue with removing most anyone here illegally.
 
lawtig02 said:
Look, the reality is we have no idea what Trump will actually do because he’s a compulsive liar who breaks almost every promise he makes and has no qualms about saying literally anything, no matter how wrong or offensive. All we have to work with is what he said he would do. Zen seems determined to assume Trump will be better than he’s said he will be. I certainly hope that’s true. I’d even take incompetent and ineffective. But holy freaking cow, how did we end up with a dishonest, unpredictable madman running this country with unlimited immunity? That’s no way to run a PTA, much less a railroad, and MUCH less the most powerful nation in the history of the world.
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ZenMode said:
True reform needs to happen, which would have require Congress.

I'm just saying, in principle, I don't an issue with removing most anyone here illegally.
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As long as they start with the majority, you know those that overstayed work visas, let's do it. I'm sure people leaving all of the high paying IT jobs, vacating their expensive homes, and moving back to the country of origin, will have no negative impacts on our economy.

And why do you say "most", who would you let stay and why?
 
UNCatTech said:
That's so nice of him not to want to break up families. 🤮

Where's Zen, this seems to address if it is only for future children born here.
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I don't like that. I'd rather make an exception for the parent(s).

I wonder how many situations there are where two parents are here illegally and they brought a child from a foreign country or had a child while in the US.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't like that. I'd rather make an exception for the parent(s).

I wonder how many situations there are where two parents are here illegally and they brought a child from a foreign country or had a child while in the US.
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The majority of undocumented immigrants in the United States live with their families:

  • Household composition
    Nearly half of undocumented immigrant households are couples with children, 15% are couples without children, and 13% are single-person households.

  • Mixed status households
    Almost 70% of households with unauthorized immigrants are considered “mixed status,” meaning they also contain lawful immigrants or U.S.-born residents.

  • Children of undocumented immigrants
    By 2008, 73% of children of undocumented immigrants were U.S. citizens by birth.

  • US citizens living with undocumented residents
    6.7 million US citizens share their household with an undocumented resident, with 5.5 million of those being minors.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't like that. I'd rather make an exception for the parent(s).

I wonder how many situations there are where two parents are here illegally and they brought a child from a foreign country or had a child while in the US.
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Hundreds of thousands. Millions if you go back far enough.
 
superrific said:
It's not a fucking "policy" that can be changed and made past tense. It's in the 14th Amendment, motherfucker.
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So how will the courts and SCOTUS rule if Trump deports American born brown folks using his immunity for "official acts" as president vs. Section 1 of the 14th Amendment after having granted Trump tacit immunity to avoid violating Section 3 of the 14th Amendment ?

Again, I wish I could share your confidence in our judicial system as it stands today...
 
lawtig02 said:
Hundreds of thousands. Millions if you go back far enough.
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Anywhere after 18 years, we're talking about adults. The legal adult "children" can make their own choices regarding where they live, but the parents should be removed.

Minor children, of two illegal parents, I would let the family stay until the child is an adult. Then the parents need to be removed and the child can make their own decision.
 
heelinhell said:
So how will the courts and SCOTUS rule if Trump deports American born brown folks using his immunity for "official acts" as president vs. Section 1 of the 14th Amendment after having granted Trump tacit immunity to avoid violating Section 3 of the 14th Amendment ?

Again, I wish I could share your confidence in our judicial system as it stands today...
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Not gonna happen. He can't do that.
 
ZenMode said:
Anywhere after 18 years, we're talking about adults. The legal adult "children" can make their own choices regarding where they live, but the parents should be removed.

Minor children, of two illegal parents, I would let the family stay until the child is an adult. Then the parents need to be removed and the child can make their own decision.
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What happens when they have more children?
 
heelinhell said:
So how will the courts and SCOTUS rule if Trump deports American born brown folks using his immunity for "official acts" as president vs. Section 1 of the 14th Amendment after having granted Trump tacit immunity to avoid violating Section 3 of the 14th Amendment ?

Again, I wish I could share your confidence in our judicial system as it stands today...
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Well, obviously it has become more difficult to predict SCOTUS than in the past. Well, let me be more specific. Easier to predict how the cases they take will come out (though not that easy, as the immunity decision made clear); less easy to figure out what crazy crusade they might latch onto.

But I still contend that the best way to understand this court is to focus on what the Justices care about most. It's really the most self-focused Court in a very long time, filled by Justices who apparently have few reservations about foregrounding their own parochial concerns. And I just don't predict this to be an issue where they want to stick out their necks. Thomas and Alito are itching for this fight, but I have my doubts about the others. Could be wrong.

Anyway, the immunity case doesn't really play a role. If Trump tries to start deporting American citizens, they will go to court to get an injunction against that (note: now it's liberals' turn to forum shop! Fifth Circuit will get some competition). Whether Trump can be criminally charged doesn't affect that -- unless, I suppose, he were to ignore the court order, but I very much doubt SCOTUS will let him off the hook for that. SCOTUS will not see it as an official act to undercut their own imperial authority.
 
ZenMode said:
Then the parents need to be removed and the child can make their own decision.
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The parents need to be removed in exactly the same way that all jaywalkers need to be ticketed and all public drunkenness needs to be prosecuted as a misdemeanor criminal offense where applicable.
 
finesse said:
What happens when they have more children?
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True. You'd probably have to set a cut-off date (based on a full pregnancy term) where having more children isn't going to protect you from deportation. That will leave it up to the parents. If they have more, the children are welcome to come back when they are 18 or the parents can find godparents to raise them here.
 
superrific said:
The parents need to be removed in exactly the same way that all jaywalkers need to be ticketed and all public drunkenness needs to be prosecuted as a misdemeanor criminal offense where applicable.
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The US needs to be consistent. We have laws and they are enforced, otherwise it only encourages more sneaking in.
 
ZenMode said:
True. You'd probably have to set a cut-off date (based on a full pregnancy term) where having more children isn't going to protect you from deportation. That will leave it up to the parents. If they have more, the children are welcome to come back when they are 18 or the parents can find godparents to raise them here.
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So you're saying that parents won't be able to have sex for fear of getting deported? Sounds like the party of small minded government to me.
 
finesse said:
So you're saying that parents won't be able to have sex for fear of getting deported? Sounds like the party of small minded government to me.
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The parents should be deported either way. They know the risks of having sex.

They also know/knew the risks of illegally crossing the border. Decisions have consequences.
 
What are the odds that there will continue to be a push to bar contraception? Maybe there can be an illegal immigrant exemption. I guess it's Hobson's choice. You can let them breed and be forced out or you can give them the option of not breeding unlike real Americans, in case they find some insidious way of staying.
 
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