Mass Deportation - Planning underway— Tom Homan to be “Border Czar”

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sringwal said:
We cannot keep assuming that the adults in the room in government are going to be able to stop Trump. They might, but he has surrounded himself with sycophants. Best to take him at his word, no matter how ridiculous it is, and prepare for what could be coming down the pipeline.
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The adults…you mean the senile insulated grandparents?
 
Not sure how I feel about birthright citizenship but, depending on the costs of the execution, I don't see anything wrong with this plan, if accurate.

Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the US illegally​

  • Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the US illegally over four years
  • Open to deal to protect 'Dreamers' brought to the US illegally as children
  • Trump says he would try to end birthright citizenship immediately
WASHINGTON, Dec 8 (Reuters) - U.S. President-elect Donald Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the U.S. illegally over his four-year term but wants a deal to protect so-called "Dreamer" immigrants, he said in an interview that aired on Sunday on NBC News' “Meet the Press with Kristen Welker.”
Trump also said he plans to take executive action on his first day in office to try to end birthright citizenship, which confers citizenship on anyone born in the U.S. regardless of their parents' immigration status.

Trump, a Republican who won a second term in the White House promising mass deportations, is expected to declare illegal immigration a national emergency when he takes office on Jan. 20 and draw on resources from across the federal government to support a wide-ranging crackdown.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security estimated some 11 million immigrants were in the U.S. illegally as of January 2022, although the figure is likely higher today. In the NBC News interview, Welker asked Trump if his plan was to deport everyone without legal status.

 
ZenMode said:
Not sure how I feel about birthright citizenship but, depending on the costs of the execution, I don't see anything wrong with this plan, if accurate.

Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the US illegally​

  • Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the US illegally over four years
  • Open to deal to protect 'Dreamers' brought to the US illegally as children
  • Trump says he would try to end birthright citizenship immediately
WASHINGTON, Dec 8 (Reuters) - U.S. President-elect Donald Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the U.S. illegally over his four-year term but wants a deal to protect so-called "Dreamer" immigrants, he said in an interview that aired on Sunday on NBC News' “Meet the Press with Kristen Welker.”
Trump also said he plans to take executive action on his first day in office to try to end birthright citizenship, which confers citizenship on anyone born in the U.S. regardless of their parents' immigration status.

Trump, a Republican who won a second term in the White House promising mass deportations, is expected to declare illegal immigration a national emergency when he takes office on Jan. 20 and draw on resources from across the federal government to support a wide-ranging crackdown.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security estimated some 11 million immigrants were in the U.S. illegally as of January 2022, although the figure is likely higher today. In the NBC News interview, Welker asked Trump if his plan was to deport everyone without legal status.

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So if you’re ok with it, maybe you can explain the logic behind protecting noncitizens who were brought here as children by undocumented parents, but deporting citizens who were born here to undocumented parents? Thanks in advance, because I can’t figure it out.
 
ZenMode said:
Not sure how I feel about birthright citizenship but,
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Save everyone the trouble and don't feel anything about it. Literally nobody cares. It is an unmistakable command of the 14th Amendment and if you don't like it, maybe your team shouldn't have seceded and then lost.
 
lawtig02 said:
So if you’re ok with it, maybe you can explain the logic behind protecting noncitizens who were brought here as children by undocumented parents, but deporting citizens who were born here to undocumented parents? Thanks in advance, because I can’t figure it out.
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I don't read that as deporting citizens who were born here when birthright citizenship was a policy. I read that as a "going forward" situation.
 
superrific said:
Save everyone the trouble and don't feel anything about it. Literally nobody cares. It is an unmistakable command of the 14th Amendment and if you don't like it, maybe your team shouldn't have seceded and then lost.
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Obviously, the Constitution can be changed, but I'm more talking about the policy and whether it still makes sense, kind of like Presidential pardon powers....does it make sense?
 
ZenMode said:
I don't read that as deporting citizens who were born here when birthright citizenship was a policy. I read that as a "going forward" situation.
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It's not a fucking "policy" that can be changed and made past tense. It's in the 14th Amendment, motherfucker.
 
ZenMode said:
Obviously, the Constitution can be changed, but I'm more talking about the policy and whether it still makes sense.
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You do that, then. Go build a movement to amend the 14th Amendment.

You are confusing deep-seated values with "policy."
 
mpaer said:
I know two guys that worked in meat packing plants
Cause they were prisoners in the NC Correctional system You have gloves-but your arms are stuck in 35 degree water as you cut and slice constantly.I seriously think they build on at least 1 carpel tunnel surgey per employee every couple years
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You know the industry should improve their methods, no matter who they employ.

We know too much about repetitive motion injuries to accept this.

These jobs need to pay a decent wage no matter who is performing them.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't read that as deporting citizens who were born here when birthright citizenship was a policy. I read that as a "going forward" situation.
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1. What exactly in Trump’s comments suggests it’s only going forward?

2. Even if it’s going forward, what’s the policy distinction between those brought here and those born here?
 
Callatoroy said:
Sounds promising
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It's not, just more from lie a second trump.

Since he lies constantly and about everything, how do you guys know what to take seriously from him?

Wouldn't it be easier if he were to just tell the truth?
 
ZenMode said:
I don't read that as deporting citizens who were born here when birthright citizenship was a policy. I read that as a "going forward" situation.
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Trump has previously stated that he believes that the citizenship of those born here to non citizen parents should lose their citizenship.

But I'm sure the Russian women that fly here to give birth, in order for their child to have dual citizenship would be exempted.

I've never heard anything from Trump where he only wanted to stop future citizenship.
 
ZenMode said:
Not sure how I feel about birthright citizenship but, depending on the costs of the execution, I don't see anything wrong with this plan, if accurate.

Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the US illegally​

  • Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the US illegally over four years
  • Open to deal to protect 'Dreamers' brought to the US illegally as children
  • Trump says he would try to end birthright citizenship immediately
WASHINGTON, Dec 8 (Reuters) - U.S. President-elect Donald Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the U.S. illegally over his four-year term but wants a deal to protect so-called "Dreamer" immigrants, he said in an interview that aired on Sunday on NBC News' “Meet the Press with Kristen Welker.”
Trump also said he plans to take executive action on his first day in office to try to end birthright citizenship, which confers citizenship on anyone born in the U.S. regardless of their parents' immigration status.

Trump, a Republican who won a second term in the White House promising mass deportations, is expected to declare illegal immigration a national emergency when he takes office on Jan. 20 and draw on resources from across the federal government to support a wide-ranging crackdown.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security estimated some 11 million immigrants were in the U.S. illegally as of January 2022, although the figure is likely higher today. In the NBC News interview, Welker asked Trump if his plan was to deport everyone without legal status.

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Why is there never a mention of actually reforming the immigration system so those who want to come here and work have a clear path to do so?
 
Look, the reality is we have no idea what Trump will actually do because he’s a compulsive liar who breaks almost every promise he makes and has no qualms about saying literally anything, no matter how wrong or offensive. All we have to work with is what he said he would do. Zen seems determined to assume Trump will be better than he’s said he will be. I certainly hope that’s true. I’d even take incompetent and ineffective. But holy freaking cow, how did we end up with a dishonest, unpredictable madman running this country with unlimited immunity? That’s no way to run a PTA, much less a railroad, and MUCH less the most powerful nation in the history of the world.
 
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