whatntarnation
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The end game, just like the wall, is to funnel taxpayer money into trump backed and trump supporting businesses.
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ChapelHillSooner
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The thing that gets me is the animosity towards the educated elites. Plowing a field or even managing a farm budget are admirable endeavors but they don’t give you insight into how macroeconomics works. If you can’t bother to understand who pays tariffs, how are you expecting to understand the full economic consequences of those tariffs?
We used to admire and look up to people who are experts in their field. Not saying we all agreed with everything like those who pushed trickle down economics but in general the public had respect for education. There was always those who didn’t but they had no political sway.
We used to admire and look up to people who are experts in their field. Not saying we all agreed with everything like those who pushed trickle down economics but in general the public had respect for education. There was always those who didn’t but they had no political sway.
Between science, automation and secularism, education is a threat to their jobs, their religion and their way of life. They find it easier and more comfortable to believe the conservatives can bring it back than that something better will be built. Can't completely blame them. Some things we are going to really miss are going to be gone, mostly small businesses and diners and family restaurants in material terms.
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EhringhausSouth
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I think this needs to be multi faceted. If folks are here illegally, but are working, there needs to be some sort of option for the employers to "sponsor" these employees if they are law abiding aside from being in the country illegally. However, if there are illegal immigrants in the country that are not working or not part of a family unit that is worked, they should be deported. It's a very complex and complicated issue, there needs to legislative changes in addition to deportations.
lawtig02
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I agree. Like the bipartisan bill Trump tanked. That’s pretty much exactly what you’re describing.
EyeballKid
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I’d bet that significantly less than 1% of them are not working or part of a family unit.
To be consistent with the current state of public opinion, clearly the Republicans are morally responsible for any crime by anyone who has come in since that bill was tanked.
gtyellowjacket
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That opens them up to exploitation by employers who basically hold the sword of deportation over their heads. And it puts legal workers in competition with workers that can be treated like something on the bottom of your shoe. Of course that is basically happening today so maybe little change.
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Yeah, but that was, like, a terrible deal. Because.
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While we’re dreaming of impossible practicalities, I was thinking there can be some kind of amnesty if you at least can show a w2, or some other meaningful indicia of gainful employment.
CFordUNC
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The good news is the Democrats should have learned the lesson the hard way that working in good faith with Republicans is a losing proposition for them. The Dems gave away the whole damn farm and got nothing in return to get that bipartisan immigration bill- one that was the stuff of literal Republican wet dreams for three decades- ready to go to the floor for votes, and it *still* got tanked- despite being created by one of the most hard core Republican senators from one of the deepest reddest states- all because Trump didn’t want the bill passed in an election year.
Democrats should never again work with Republicans on that kind of stuff, at least not while Trump is still a thing, nor should they do anything legislatively to try to impede the implementation of Trumpian policy. The electorate wants Trumpism. Let’s give it to them.
$88 billion a year for the deportation costs would be a drop in the bucket compared to the GDP loss from mass deportations.Cont’d
“… As a first step, Trump’s advisers are discussing issuing a national emergency declaration at the border on his first day in office, which his team thinks would allow him to move money from the Pentagon to pay for wall construction and to assist with immigrant detention and deportation.
But the legality of such a move is unclear.
A national emergency, Trump’s advisers think, also would unlock the ability to use military bases for immigrant detention and military planes to help carry out deportations.
… A critical near-term priority is finding the money to pay for it. An estimate by the American Immigration Council, a liberal immigration group, estimated that an operation to deport the total number of people living in the U.S. illegally could cost $968 billion over more than a decade, or roughly $88 billion a year. …”
So, tariffs?
Mulberry Heel
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Democrats need to toughen up for sure when it comes to working with Republicans. I'm sick of Democrats trying to be "the adults in the room" and negotiate in good faith with Republicans and then just getting slapped in the face over and over again. Congressional Democrats, and the party leadership in general, badly needs to wake up, grow a spine, and just tell Republicans to go to hell when it comes to compromise bills. That's exactly how Republicans treat them, and they're not going to gain any votes by working with them. My fear is that Congressional Democrats are clueless and will continue to believe, against all evidence, that working with Republicans will somehow pay off down the road. They wanted complete control of the government, well, let them run things and solve them. Working with them hasn't gotten Democrats anywhere for at least the last 15 years.
Tar1978Heel
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You really are out of touch and are speaking like a true dummy…Its ton of White,Black.and Latina people that are legal that do these jobs…Man the left has no clue what is going on in this country with the real people…That’s the reason y’all lost this election…
CallMeTyler
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Illegal immigrants make up 25% of the US construction workforce. Those are facts. Deportation of said workforce will send the housing market into a tailspin.
Mulberry Heel
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As someone posted recently, if you want to know how these mass deportations play out just look at what happened in Alabama in 2010. The Republican state government made an all-out crackdown on "illegals" and it was a disaster. Republican farmers were soon complaining that their crops were rotting in the fields because they couldn't get anyone to pick them, and shortly after that they were begging Alabama Republicans to back off, which they did.
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China is already deep into the overturing in SA.
CallMeTyler
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I’d love to empathize with folks who will struggle when the cost of goods increases but again, they asked for these policies.
Between labor shortages and tariffs, it should be a lot of fun.
CallMeTyler
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And maybe you’re interested in educating yourself on this topic a bit more.
Definitely want to avoid those “dummy” labels.
A fifth of construction workers lack permanent legal status. Can the next president change that?
Illegal immigration has dominated the headlines during this election season, but building pros are calling for help to get skilled workers to jobsites.