Mass Shooting & Gun Violence - FSU Shooter

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UNCatTech said:
He doesn't give a fuck if it doesn't directly impact him.
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And “direct impact” is highly subjective. If Baron were to be shot on campus, Trump would only give a fuck insofar as he could use it to his advantage. His malignant narcissism wouldn’t allow him to feel empathy or pain or in losing a son.
 
On Instagram, an account with Ikner’s name and photo that was taken offline after he was publicly identified included a biblical quote on its profile: “You are my war club, my weapon for battle; with you I shatter nations, with you I destroy kingdoms.”

Ikner is a registered Republican, according to Florida voter registration records. He was quoted in January in an FSU student newspaper article about anti-Trump protests in advance of the president’s inauguration.

“These people are usually pretty entertaining, usually not for good reasons,” Ikner, who was described as a political science major, was quoted as saying. “I think it’s a little too late, he’s [Trump] already going to be inaugurated on Jan. 20 and there’s not really much you can do unless you outright revolt, and I don’t think anyone wants that.”

 
Carolina Fever said:
And got it from his mother, who is a deputy. She should lose her job at least for not securing it.
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Maybe, maybe not. This wasn’t a 12 year old kid. This was a grown ass man. She could have secured the gun properly and he still could have found a way to get it. There are plenty of videos on YouTube about how to break into gun safes, for example.
 


“… A review of court records show Phoenix Ikner had a tumultuous childhood, with another woman — identified in the documents as his biological mother — accused of removing him from the US in violation of a custody agreement when he was 10 years old.

… The court documents refer to the child as Christian Eriksen, and say that he and his biological mother are both dual US-Norwegian citizens.

The shooting suspect later changed his name from Christian Eriksen to Phoenix Ikner, a law enforcement source confirmed to CNN….”
 

Suspect in Dallas high school shooting fired ‘indiscriminately,’ injuring 5 students, documents say​



“Five students were injured in a shooting Tuesday afternoon at Wilmer-Hutchins High School in southeast Dallas when a 17-year-old allegedly snuck into the school and fired “indiscriminately,” according to a state affidavit for the suspect’s arrest warrant.

The injured, aged 15 to 18, were taken to a hospital for treatment, with their injuries ranging from non-life-threatening to serious, Dallas Fire-Rescue spokesperson Jason Evans told CNN affiliate WFAA.

Four of the victims were shot, while the fifth was injured fleeing the gunfire, the Dallas Independent School District Police said Thursday.

… According to the affidavit, surveillance footage reviewed by police showed another student letting the suspect into the school through an unsecured door at approximately 1:03 p.m.

By entering through that door, the suspect bypassed the school’s metal detectors, according to police. The student who opened the door is being questioned and will face administrative penalties for violating the student code of conduct, police said. …”
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Maybe, maybe not. This wasn’t a 12 year old kid. This was a grown ass man. She could have secured the gun properly and he still could have found a way to get it. There are plenty of videos on YouTube about how to break into gun safes, for example.
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Does your ass ever hurt from sitting on that fence all the time?
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Maybe, maybe not. This wasn’t a 12 year old kid. This was a grown ass man. She could have secured the gun properly and he still could have found a way to get it. There are plenty of videos on YouTube about how to break into gun safes, for example.
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Then secure the gun in a better way. He likely had full access to it.
 
EyeballKid said:
And “direct impact” is highly subjective. If Baron were to be shot on campus, Trump would only give a fuck insofar as he could use it to his advantage. His malignant narcissism wouldn’t allow him to feel empathy or pain or in losing a son.
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I disagree. If Barron were the target of a school shooting, I believe Trump would care greatly. He would see it as an attack on himself (even if no evidence to that end could be shown) and he'd want a very, very large response. It wouldn't necessarily be a response that would actually address any real problems or prevent future shootings, but he'd almost certainly want there to be an inordinately large response to that event.
 
Bigs23 said:
Then secure the gun in a better way. He likely had full access to it.
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Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know how she had the gun stored. Do you?

Also, safe storage laws are mainly meant to prevent access to firearms by children. This was a grown man. Did he have a history of mental health issues or violence? Was there any indication in the past that he might do something like this? If so, then I agree that extra measures should have been taken to ensure that he couldn't get his hands on a weapon. If not, though, then I don't agree with trying to crucify the mom here. There's just too little information about the situation right now to make a judgement. Also, as a 20 year old he legally could have purchased a rifle and the death toll would likely be far higher than what it was.
 
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cscott said:
Does your ass ever hurt from sitting on that fence all the time?
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My understanding is that this poster might have some insight on this issue. Either way, I don't think it's set in stone that the guns were not stored properly. Didn't the Sandy Hook shooter kill his mom (or caretaker) to get access to the guns she had properly locked away?
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know how she had the gun stored. Do you?

Also, safe storage laws are mainly meant to prevent access to firearms by children. This was a grown man. Did he have a history of mental health issues or violence? Was there any indication in the past that he might do something like this? If so, then I agree that extra measures should have been taken to ensure that he couldn't get his hands on a weapon. If not, though, then I don't agree with trying to crucify the mom here. There's just too little information about the situation right now to make a judgement. Also, as a 20 year old he legally could have purchased a rifle and the death toll would likely be far higher than what it was.
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I know she didn’t have it stored sufficiently.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know how she had the gun stored. Do you?

Also, safe storage laws are mainly meant to prevent access to firearms by children. This was a grown man. Did he have a history of mental health issues or violence? Was there any indication in the past that he might do something like this? If so, then I agree that extra measures should have been taken to ensure that he couldn't get his hands on a weapon. If not, though, then I don't agree with trying to crucify the mom here. There's just too little information about the situation right now to make a judgement. Also, as a 20 year old he legally could have purchased a rifle and the death toll would likely be far higher than what it was.
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Not crucifying the mom but pointing to the absurdity of our gun culture.
 
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