What do you propose?
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Ok, so what do you propose? Would you rather go after 1% of shooting deaths or 70% of shooting deaths? Excluding suicides, of course.
Tar1978Heel
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The guy was and should have been locked up for being Mentally insane…The Trans culture seems to be getting very violent…
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Police chief - No prior criminal history, gun was legally purchased by shooter.
Simply pointing out your logical fallacy. It never strengthens an argument to point out that something does not solve 100% of the problems. It is logical fluff.
Gun control, like all policy decisions, needs to weigh projected benefits vs. projected burdens. As a society, we are very bad with both of those issues -- we tend to overvalue one side of the equation that favors our political lens and undervalue the other side of the equation that goes against our political lens.
But no matter how the policy decisions are weighed -- one thing we should not do is base our decisions on whether they will 100% solve the problem. That is a terrible way to make policy or argue for anything.
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Good ban.
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Why are you asking us? You’re the one who votes for Neo Nazis.
Tar1978Heel
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Is this true…
Agreed. I've never claimed that we should only pursue solutions that solve 100% of the problem, because no such solutions exist. Rather, my argument was that we have to accept the fact that these things will happen because there is no realistic way to stop all of them. That doesn't mean that we should be OK with that, and that doesn't mean to stop trying to address the issue. We just need to be realistic.
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“… A spokesperson for The Violence Project, which records data on mass shootings in the U.S. since 1966 with “four or more” people killed in public (here), told Reuters via email that “Nashville is the first case of a trans” perpetrator in their database and per their methodology. They sent Reuters a database of shootings with 190 entries.
The Gun Violence Archive, which began collecting data on gun violence in the U.S. in 2013 (here), (here), recorded more than 4,400 mass shootings in the last decade, Executive Director Mark Bryant told Reuters via email. Its definition of mass shooting is four or more people shot resulting in injury or death (excluding the perpetrator).
Of those, “the number of known suspects in mass shootings which are trans is under 10 for the last decade,” which translated to “1:880 [or 0.11%] of the 4,400 shootings” they recorded, he said.
Further, the U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC), which studies all forms of targeted violence including mass casualty attacks, published a report with data from 2016 to 2020 (here).
The report examined 173 attacks in the U.S. that “that resulted in harm to three or more individuals in public locations,” Justine Whelan, press secretary for the U.S. Secret Service, told Reuters via email, and “three attackers (2%) were transgender, assigned female at birth, but were known to identify as male at the time of their attacks.”
Whelan said that consistent with previous analyses of mass attacks, “nearly all of the attackers,” or 96%, in the study were male, and the remaining five attackers were female….”
Fact Check: Majority of US mass shooters are cis men, not transgender or non-binary people
A list of perpetrators in four shootings in the U.S. who identified as transgender or non-binary represent the minority of suspects in mass shootings, but users online are sharing the list without this context. Data collection on mass shootings varies by methodology, but experts told Reuters...
donbosco
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As far as I can tell there is very little restraining law enforcement at this time in our history and the judicial system is, rather than bounded by the law, an executive order rubberstamp. Clearly things could be done differently by both those actors. After all, The Constitution is currently a pick-and-choose proposition by the regime and its party.
The only people to be villainized are those who think it's a good idea to have unlimited guns in public places. Shame on every one of you.
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I will say that within minutes of every mass shooting and even some recent hoaxes, there are people on social media insisting the shooter was trans (usually completely wrong about who the shooter was much less cis/trans identity).
“… A spokesperson for The Violence Project, which records data on mass shootings in the U.S. since 1966 with “four or more” people killed in public (here), told Reuters via email that “Nashville is the first case of a trans” perpetrator in their database and per their methodology. They sent Reuters a database of shootings with 190 entries.
The Gun Violence Archive, which began collecting data on gun violence in the U.S. in 2013 (here), (here), recorded more than 4,400 mass shootings in the last decade, Executive Director Mark Bryant told Reuters via email. Its definition of mass shooting is four or more people shot resulting in injury or death (excluding the perpetrator).
Of those, “the number of known suspects in mass shootings which are trans is under 10 for the last decade,” which translated to “1:880 [or 0.11%] of the 4,400 shootings” they recorded, he said.
Further, the U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC), which studies all forms of targeted violence including mass casualty attacks, published a report with data from 2016 to 2020 (here).
The report examined 173 attacks in the U.S. that “that resulted in harm to three or more individuals in public locations,” Justine Whelan, press secretary for the U.S. Secret Service, told Reuters via email, and “three attackers (2%) were transgender, assigned female at birth, but were known to identify as male at the time of their attacks.”
Whelan said that consistent with previous analyses of mass attacks, “nearly all of the attackers,” or 96%, in the study were male, and the remaining five attackers were female….”
Fact Check: Majority of US mass shooters are cis men, not transgender or non-binary people
A list of perpetrators in four shootings in the U.S. who identified as transgender or non-binary represent the minority of suspects in mass shootings, but users online are sharing the list without this context. Data collection on mass shootings varies by methodology, but experts told Reuters...www.reuters.com
Which doesn’t mean there aren’t trans people committing violent crimes. How proportionate that is depends on how you are keeping stats and identifying people.
Anyway:
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- Despite being less than 2% of the U.S. adult population, transgender people are four times as likely to be victims of crime. GLAAD’s ALERT Deskhas tracked more than 2,100 anti-LGBTQ incidents from June 2022 – December 2024, including 750+ incidents specifically targeting transgender and nonbinary people.“
Fact Sheet: Debunking “Trans Terrorism” and Other False Claims in High-Profile Crimes | GLAAD
Social media accounts with a history of anti-transgender rhetoric frequently and falsely accuse transgender people of crimes, particularly during mass shooting events, before facts are known. There is no evidence of escalating violence committed by LGBTQ people. Extremism and domestic terrorism...
glaad.org
Tar1978Heel
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That data is flawed though because all mass shootings are not the same…
“… A spokesperson for The Violence Project, which records data on mass shootings in the U.S. since 1966 with “four or more” people killed in public (here), told Reuters via email that “Nashville is the first case of a trans” perpetrator in their database and per their methodology. They sent Reuters a database of shootings with 190 entries.
The Gun Violence Archive, which began collecting data on gun violence in the U.S. in 2013 (here), (here), recorded more than 4,400 mass shootings in the last decade, Executive Director Mark Bryant told Reuters via email. Its definition of mass shooting is four or more people shot resulting in injury or death (excluding the perpetrator).
Of those, “the number of known suspects in mass shootings which are trans is under 10 for the last decade,” which translated to “1:880 [or 0.11%] of the 4,400 shootings” they recorded, he said.
Further, the U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC), which studies all forms of targeted violence including mass casualty attacks, published a report with data from 2016 to 2020 (here).
The report examined 173 attacks in the U.S. that “that resulted in harm to three or more individuals in public locations,” Justine Whelan, press secretary for the U.S. Secret Service, told Reuters via email, and “three attackers (2%) were transgender, assigned female at birth, but were known to identify as male at the time of their attacks.”
Whelan said that consistent with previous analyses of mass attacks, “nearly all of the attackers,” or 96%, in the study were male, and the remaining five attackers were female….”
Fact Check: Majority of US mass shooters are cis men, not transgender or non-binary people
A list of perpetrators in four shootings in the U.S. who identified as transgender or non-binary represent the minority of suspects in mass shootings, but users online are sharing the list without this context. Data collection on mass shootings varies by methodology, but experts told Reuters...
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If you're going to engage ZZLPHeels about guns, just be ready for all the logical fallacies and nonsensical arguments that the Republican Party has been able to create on this topic.
I can sum it up, though, with... "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."
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I guess the 8 and 10 year olds weren't praying quite hard enough for God to save them.