Mass Shooting & Gun Violence | LDS Church Attacked

[4thgenheel]

Since there isn't a mass stabbing thread...

Marine stops hyper religious lunatic.

A detail that neither CNN, nor MSNBC, nor NY Times, LA Times, etc has reported as of a few minutes ago.

Armed Marine veteran stops Michigan Walmart stabbing suspect​

An armed bystander was seen on video heroically stopping a knife-wielding man who authorities say stabbed 11 people at a Walmart in Michigan on Saturday.

The man, identified by family as Derrick Perry, is seen in the video pointing a firearm at the suspect in the store’s parking lot in Traverse City as he and other bystanders shout "drop the knife!" Perry is a Marine veteran, the New York Post reported, citing his family.

"What they did was amazing," Grand Traverse County Sheriff Michael Shea told reporters during a media briefing on Sunday.

Armed Marine veteran stops Michigan Walmart stabbing suspect

Video shows an armed bystander confronting a knife attacker who allegedly injured 11 people at a Walmart in Traverse City, Michigan, on Saturday.

www.foxnews.com

11 people stabbed and thankfully not a single fatality.

that's why we don't have a mass stabbing thread. it is exceedingly difficult to inflict a lot of carnage with a knife. not remotely comparable to what can be done with a gun.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

It would mean the guns I currently own would be banned and would not impact criminals that already own these weapons unlawfully and use them in crimes every day. If I’m getting into a gunfight with an intruder, I don’t want him to have all the rounds he needs while I’m dead in the water after 7 shots. The police are much more highly trained in firearms than the general public, and they still are taught to magdump because 1) hitting a moving target in a gunfight is not easy and 2) people don’t typically go down immediately after the first round hits them.

How many people get in gun fights with intruders? Its not a common scenario.

Over time, those criminals would be very unlikely to have those now illegal guns. Just like sawed-offs and automatic weapons. When is the last time we had real problems with those?

 

[donbosco]

I think Gunsmoke is my favorite western.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

How many people get in gun fights with intruders? Its not a common scenario.

Over time, those criminals would be very unlikely to have those now illegal guns. Just like sawed-offs and automatic weapons. When is the last time we had real problems with those?

People use their guns to defend themselves from intruders all the time. From the last month or so:

Fort Worth homeowner shoots alleged robber in home invasion | FOX 4 Dallas-Fort Worth

A Fort Worth homeowner shot an alleged robber during a home invasion early Friday. One suspect is in critical condition and two others, armed and masked, are at large.

www.fox4news.com

Home invasion turns into shootout with resident in West Philadelphia: police | FOX 29 Philadelphia

Police in Philadelphia say a home invasion turned into a shootout when three armed intruders exchanged gunfire with someone inside the home.

www.fox29.com

2 suspected home invaders injured, arrested following shootout with Los Banos homeowner, police say | abc30.com

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abc30.com

14-year-old alleged burglar shot during Encino home invasion

A 14-year-old boy was being held on suspicion of burglarizing a home in Encino after he was shot and wounded by the homeowner during an early-morning confrontation not far from where a couple was murdered earlier this month during a burglary. The teen, whose name isn’t public due to his age, was...

www.nbclosangeles.com

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www.fox13memphis.com

Kentucky child shot, killed alleged armed home invaders in self-defense, police say

A child in Manchester, Kentucky shot and killed two alleged home invaders who were trying to steal firearms from a safe.

www.usatoday.com

Monroe County homeowner shoots home invader armed with an axe, sheriff says

In the Eureka Landing community early Tuesday morning, a homeowner discharged a firearm in an act of self-defense against a home invader who was armed with an axe, according to the Monroe County sheriff.

www.fox10tv.com

 

[donbosco]

This is why I love Gunsmoke.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

People use their guns to defend themselves from intruders all the time. From the last month or so:

Fort Worth homeowner shoots alleged robber in home invasion | FOX 4 Dallas-Fort Worth

A Fort Worth homeowner shot an alleged robber during a home invasion early Friday. One suspect is in critical condition and two others, armed and masked, are at large.

www.fox4news.com

Home invasion turns into shootout with resident in West Philadelphia: police | FOX 29 Philadelphia

Police in Philadelphia say a home invasion turned into a shootout when three armed intruders exchanged gunfire with someone inside the home.

www.fox29.com

2 suspected home invaders injured, arrested following shootout with Los Banos homeowner, police say | abc30.com

Two%20suspects%20in%20a%20home%20invasion%20have%20been%20arrested%20after%20being%20injured%20in%20a%20shootout%20with%20a%20Los%20Banos%20homeowner%20on%20Friday%20morning.

abc30.com

14-year-old alleged burglar shot during Encino home invasion

A 14-year-old boy was being held on suspicion of burglarizing a home in Encino after he was shot and wounded by the homeowner during an early-morning confrontation not far from where a couple was murdered earlier this month during a burglary. The teen, whose name isn’t public due to his age, was...

www.nbclosangeles.com

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www.fox13memphis.com

Kentucky child shot, killed alleged armed home invaders in self-defense, police say

A child in Manchester, Kentucky shot and killed two alleged home invaders who were trying to steal firearms from a safe.

www.usatoday.com

Monroe County homeowner shoots home invader armed with an axe, sheriff says

In the Eureka Landing community early Tuesday morning, a homeowner discharged a firearm in an act of self-defense against a home invader who was armed with an axe, according to the Monroe County sheriff.

www.fox10tv.com

Only three of those were a shootout where the burglar exchanged fire. In the other incidents, the burglar was shot and no mention of the burglar shooting back. A scenario that could easily happen without semi-auto and detachable mag.

What wouldn't happen is 48 of the top 50 mass killings in America. 48 were semi-auto with detachable mag. The two that weren't were the Washington navy yard with pump shotgun and detachable mag and the University of Texas bell tower which was mostly bolt action rifle.

 

[4thgenheel]

People use their guns to defend themselves from intruders all the time. From the last month or so:

Fort Worth homeowner shoots alleged robber in home invasion | FOX 4 Dallas-Fort Worth

A Fort Worth homeowner shot an alleged robber during a home invasion early Friday. One suspect is in critical condition and two others, armed and masked, are at large.

www.fox4news.com

Home invasion turns into shootout with resident in West Philadelphia: police | FOX 29 Philadelphia

Police in Philadelphia say a home invasion turned into a shootout when three armed intruders exchanged gunfire with someone inside the home.

www.fox29.com

2 suspected home invaders injured, arrested following shootout with Los Banos homeowner, police say | abc30.com

Two%20suspects%20in%20a%20home%20invasion%20have%20been%20arrested%20after%20being%20injured%20in%20a%20shootout%20with%20a%20Los%20Banos%20homeowner%20on%20Friday%20morning.

abc30.com

14-year-old alleged burglar shot during Encino home invasion

A 14-year-old boy was being held on suspicion of burglarizing a home in Encino after he was shot and wounded by the homeowner during an early-morning confrontation not far from where a couple was murdered earlier this month during a burglary. The teen, whose name isn’t public due to his age, was...

www.nbclosangeles.com

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www.fox13memphis.com

Kentucky child shot, killed alleged armed home invaders in self-defense, police say

A child in Manchester, Kentucky shot and killed two alleged home invaders who were trying to steal firearms from a safe.

www.usatoday.com

Monroe County homeowner shoots home invader armed with an axe, sheriff says

In the Eureka Landing community early Tuesday morning, a homeowner discharged a firearm in an act of self-defense against a home invader who was armed with an axe, according to the Monroe County sheriff.

www.fox10tv.com

statistically irrelevant anecdotal evidence.

Defensive Gun Use Study:

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jamanetwork.com

People in homes with handguns more likely to be shot dead, major study finds

Researchers find ‘zero evidence of any kind of protective effects’, with women at particular risk

www.theguardian.com

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Only three of those were a shootout where the burglar exchanged fire. In the other incidents, the burglar was shot and no mention of the burglar being shot. A scenario that could easily happen without semi-auto and detachable mag.

What wouldn't happen is 48 of the top 50 mass killings in America. 48 were semi-auto with detachable mag. The two that weren't were the Washington navy yard with pump shotgun and detachable mag and the University of Texas bell tower was mostly bolt action rifle.

There were plenty more that involved shootouts. I just got tired of copying and pasting. Regardless of how you or I feel about the issue, a handgun ban and/or a semi-auto ban is not going to happen anytime in the foreseeable future. I am thankful about that, but can understand why you would feel otherwise.

 

[wmheel1287]

I agree with your first two sentences but not with the third. Handgun bans have been proposed by mainstream members of the DNC. They state they want to ban “semi-autos” which would effectively ban 90% of handguns in production.

Notice I said "almost nobody". Banning semi automatic handguns wouldn't garner more than 25% of the most ardent Democrats. If you're going to assign what parties want to do based on the extremes, then we can't really have a discussion at all.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

statistically irrelevant anecdotal evidence.

Defensive Gun Use Study:

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jamanetwork.com

People in homes with handguns more likely to be shot dead, major study finds

Researchers find ‘zero evidence of any kind of protective effects’, with women at particular risk

www.theguardian.com

Not statistically irrelevant to the people who have been saved by those handguns. One of those people is my wife. There are incidents every day where people use their guns to defend themselves. No amount of gaslighting will change that.

 

[UNCMSinLS]

I don’t think it is. Handguns are in common use, and IMO banning them would primary hurt law-abiding citizens. Machine guns are largely banned and are very rarely used in crimes, and I don’t want to change that. The issue is just where to draw that line.

I draw that line at no guns in public spaces or off your own property without the permission of another owner.

 

[4thgenheel]

fwiw, i firmly believe that handguns should be legal (with significantly more stringent permitting and safety training processes in place than the absolute shitshow freeforall that we have now) but pretending that they're helping keep people safe is laughable.

people with guns in their homes die from gun violence at a significantly higher rate than people without guns in their homes, particularly handguns.

 

[4thgenheel]

Not statistically irrelevant to the people who have been saved by those handguns. One of those people is my wife. There are incidents every day where people use their guns to defend themselves. No amount of gaslighting will change that.

way, way, way more people have been murdered or accidentally killed than saved by handguns. those are facts. if anyone here is gaslighting, it is you.

 

[donbosco]

This is why I love Gunsmoke.

And Sam the Bartender had a shotgun.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

fwiw, i firmly believe that handguns should be legal (with significantly more stringent permitting and safety training processes in place than the absolute shitshow freeforall that we have now) but pretending that they're helping keep people safe is laughable.

people with guns in their homes die from gun violence at a significantly higher rate than people without guns in their homes, particularly handguns.

Primarily because of suicide. Either way, people should be able to make their own informed decision whether or not they want to own a handgun.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

way, way, way more people have been murdered or accidentally killed than saved by handguns. those are facts. if anyone here is gaslighting, it is you.

Mostly due to gang and drug-related violence. If you don’t want to own a handgun, no one is forcing you to do so. I’m certainly glad that my household owns one, though, as it has already thwarted one home invasion.

 

[UNCMSinLS]

If you're going to assign what parties want to do based on the extremes, then we can't really have a discussion at all.

I could have shared this insight with you concerning this poster many posts ago.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

There were plenty more that involved shootouts. I just got tired of copying and pasting. Regardless of how you or I feel about the issue, a handgun ban and/or a semi-auto ban is not going to happen anytime in the foreseeable future. I am thankful about that, but can understand why you would feel otherwise.

I agree its not going to happen soon but a semi-auto ban would drastically decrease mass shooting's while a handgun ban would drastically reduce the overall murder rate.

But a semi-auto with detachable magazine would drastically decrease mass shootings while also allowing almost everyone to do almost everything that they do today. I can't understand why people wouldn't at least consider that.

 

[4thgenheel]

Primarily because of suicide. Either way, people should be able to make their own informed decision whether or not they want to own a handgun.

no, not primarily.

suicides by firearm generally account for 30-50% of annual gun deaths.

the vast majority of children who are killed by guns aren't suicide victims.

 

[UNCMSinLS]

Mostly due to gang and drug-related violence. If you don’t want to own a handgun, no one is forcing you to do so. I’m certainly glad that my household owns one, though, as it has already thwarted one home invasion.

Cool. If people want guns at home, I've got no problem with it. I don't even have a problem with them using them at home to commit suicide. I do have a little problem with four-year-olds shooting two-year-olds, but I guess lousy parenting can kill kids in a variety of ways. Bottom line - I fully support people's right to FAFO at home.