Sure, but you don’t hold bad cops accountable when you go after all cops. And making up stories that end up being complete bullshit might be good for instant outrage but is not a recipe for long term success. Unless you are Donald Trump, I guess.
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ChapelHillSooner
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That is true but both sides share blame. The more injustice that people see the more likely they are going to believe the narrative set by the people who are arguing that police brutality occurred in future incidents.
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It coincides with everyone having a decent video camera on their phones.
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Maybe if the cops weren't such assholes, people wouldn't instinctively trust those "fabricated" stories.
I had an interaction with a police officer a decade ago. He just straight up lied to me after I had a shoulder injury. He arrested me by mistake, and that was after I had suffered a shoulder injury. He asked me if I wanted an ambulance to take me to the emergency room. I said I'd prefer to go my normal urgent care place a little ways from me, could I do that? He said yes. I signed saying I wasn't going to the ER, and then he cuffed me, shoulder injury and all. Why did he do that?
Then he lied to the judge, saying that he had previously arrested me (he had not; it was the first time I had ever been arrested) and on the basis of that representation the judge gave me a $5000 bond on a Friday. On Monday, the "charges" were dismissed because it was all bullshit.
So if he did that to me, why should I think he wouldn't shoot someone needlessly? Or harass others. Or take money. He fucked with me on purpose, for shits and giggles I guess. Meanwhile, I almost had to spend the night in jail, which would have been terrible because I didn't have my medicine that I need to take daily and for which there can be consequences if I don't. When I told them (this was the prison intake, don't know if it was prison guards or police at that point), they said I should have brought my meds with me. I said the guy cuffed me without warning and shoved me into the cop car. Finally I was able to contact a bondsman at like 11:30 that night.
From what I understand, that kind of shit goes on all the time. That officer was not afraid of getting shot. He had been talking to me. He knew I didn't have a gun on me. There was nobody around, in a suburban neighborhood. You can cite official brutality stats, but the problem with police-community relations is that shit right there.
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Yet another timely example…
whatntarnation
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What a lunatic. that's not gonna fly on hilton head. He'll hava a job at ICE by Thursday though.
With a pay raise and a $50K signing bonus.
Not at all.
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Jesus. Another nutjob with a gun.
akillesheel
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"making up stories" is a spurious claim at best, and the people "going after all cops" are doing a better job at holding bad cops accountable than their colleagues, who spend all available energy protecting them - they've earned every bit of the reputation they have because of how unwilling they, as a profession, have been to self-reflect and self-improve.
how many of those cops that you're friends with are hoping trump pardons derek chauvin? 50%? 100?
I don't mind this to be an insult, but you are kind of an asshole too. I still love you, but you come across as a major dick at times here. I'm not sure which profession you are a part of, but it would be unfair of me to judge all of your colleagues because you can be an asshole sometimes.
Cops are just people. They are prone to flaws like everyone else is, and there are good people and not so good people in every profession. At the same time, by virtue of their occupation cops are constantly exposed to the worst people in society, people who kill, rape, rob, assault, and lie. They are exposed to trauma and suffering and pure shit, all the time. That wears people down, even the best of people. It is a very difficult job. I work in the other two areas of emergency services and have been worn down by seeing that shit day in and day out, and people love Firefighters and Paramedics. Cops deal with the same shit but also have to deal with a large segment of society hating them at the same time. It is a thankless job but a critical one in order for the rest of us to live in relative safety.
The Ferguson incident, resulting nationwide unrest, rise of BLM, further unrest, the murder of George Floyd and the widespread unrest that followed.
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Of course everyone around them CAN be a threat. That doesnt mean they should treat everyone as a threat. I think the overall percentage of the general public who is a threat to police is as low or lower than the overall percentage of abusive jackwagon police officers. I cant treat every officer as if they are guilty of being an abusive asshole because some of them are such. The reverse is also true. Yet many LEOs seemingly accept that police officers and their safety triumph over the overall sentiment and safety of the general public. That is a HUGE root of the issues between the public and law enforcement.
Also, what agencies like ICE are currently doing (often alongside local law enforcement) is going to supercharge hatred of law enforcement for generations.
There are plenty of stories of police brutality that have been made up or at the very least substantially embellished. Mike Brown in Ferguson was the big one that got the ball rolling. By the time the truth came out about that one damage had been done. Off of the top of my head there were riots in Charlotte over a false story about the police killing an unarmed man for "reading a book" (he actually had a gun and was shot by a black cop after being warned over a dozen times to drop it), there were riots in Kenosha over Jacob Blake, there were riots in Minneapolis over a wanted murderer who committed suicide while being chased by the police, the NFL honored a dude who live-streamed himself committing a drive-by and was then killed in the police in a shootout after a lengthy police chase, there was the young man in Detroit wanted for a mass shooting that was shot "while on his hands and knees begging for his life" until the body camera footage came out showing that young man shooting at the police at the moment he was shot, and so on, and so on, and so on...
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And, more importantly, a badge.
You don't have to think anything about cops unless you are having to deal with one on a traffic stop or some other emergency. By nature of their profession, they are on edge constantly because they are constantly exposed to the worst in society and there is a huge amount of gun violence in this country that they are tasked with responding to. I do agree with your statement about ICE.
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i'm so curious what you think "the truth" about michael brown is.
i mean, i'm not actually, because your post history (and this post specifically) tells me that you see nothing wrong with death being the punishment for literally any infraction of the law or propriety, but it's such an obvious shibboleth for decency for anybody who's willing to look just slightly into it.
The truth about Michael Brown is that he was justifiably shot and killed after robbing a store and violently attacking a police officer who stopped him afterwards.
Lethal force isn't a "punishment". It can only be used in self defense or in the defense of others. The crime that someone is stopped for is not relevant to the amount of force that is used.