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Carolina Fever said:
You mean someone that should have raised flags because people knew he was obsessed with mass shootings, and the stuff he posted online? Maybe at least take away the assault weapons and high capacity magazines to give the kids a better chance at surviving.
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More people are killed by fists and blunt objects than by rifles of any kind in the US. I agree that he should have been reported, but law-abiding citizens should not be punished because people dropped the ball (again).
 
ZZLPHeels said:
More people are killed by fists and blunt objects than by rifles of any kind in the US. I agree that he should have been reported, but law-abiding citizens should not be punished because people dropped the ball (again).
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Do we know if the shooter was a law-abiding citizen prior to today?
 
ZZLPHeels said:
More people are killed by fists and blunt objects than by rifles of any kind in the US. I agree that he should have been reported, but law-abiding citizens should not be punished because people dropped the ball (again).
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What a stupid take. Enough. Super Ignore. Please get help before you hurt others or yourself.
 
ChileG said:
Same way the rest of the world does it?
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We aren't like the rest of the world. There are more guns than people here, and the 2nd amendment means that the genie is not going back in the bottle. So what's the solution? These things have been happening for years. Unfortunately I believe that given our country's history and our legal landscape there is not much more than can be done. I'm all for red flag laws, but people have to report suspicious behavior and law enforcement and the judicial system have to be able to act on those reports. How many times did PD visit the Parkland shooter's home prior to the shooting? Wasn't it dozens, and still nothing was done?
 
ChileG said:
Law abiding citizens shouldn’t be punished? I guess the dead kids were all criminals if law abiding citizens aren’t being punished.
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Like I said before, bad things happen. We can't legislate ourselves to 100% security. There's simply no realistic way to do so.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Like I said before, bad things happen. We can't legislate ourselves to 100% security. There's simply no realistic way to do so.
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You are making a logical fallacy that I often see on both the right and the left. The fact that something won't 100% solve a problem does not mean that it is not worth doing at all. That is a perfectionist fallacy.

The value of gun control does not turn on whether it can prevent 100% of shooting deaths.
 
Calheel said:
You are making a logical fallacy that I often see on both the right and the left. The fact that something won't 100% solve a problem does not mean that it is not worth doing at all. That is a perfectionist fallacy.

The value of gun control does not turn on whether it can prevent 100% of shooting deaths.
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Ok, so what do you propose? Would you rather go after 1% of shooting deaths or 70% of shooting deaths? Excluding suicides, of course.
 
I see the same thing is happening again in this thread that happens after every mass murder of Americans, ie apologia for weapons of mass destruction.

Also, curious quote from the KARE11 article,
“KARE 11 was able to translate parts of the alleged manifesto from Russian to English, in which it appeared the author referenced suicide, school shootings and shooters, and the Annunciation Church.”
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Ok, so what do you propose? Would you rather go after 1% of shooting deaths or 70% of shooting deaths? Excluding suicides, of course.
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Simply pointing out your logical fallacy. It never strengthens an argument to point out that something does not solve 100% of the problems. It is logical fluff.

Gun control, like all policy decisions, needs to weigh projected benefits vs. projected burdens. As a society, we are very bad with both of those issues -- we tend to overvalue one side of the equation that favors our political lens and undervalue the other side of the equation that goes against our political lens.

But no matter how the policy decisions are weighed -- one thing we should not do is base our decisions on whether they will 100% solve the problem. That is a terrible way to make policy or argue for anything.
 
Justice4All said:
Sorry to disappoint the folks that make up this board.

Shooter was not a white Christian male Trump supporter.

You useless fucks on this board are worse than any GOP voter that ever existed.

You have showed your true character and it is not surprising .

How many trans school shooters does that make ???

Now pretend this didn’t happen and go back to bashing Trump and talking about how smart you are and how your opinions are the only ones that count.

And uncmls or whatever…. You are a racist piece of shit and you will be judged by that one day.

As far as the rest of you go…. Karma is an undefeated motherfucker.

Rock - you allow your cronies to curse out and insult conservatives on here but ban anyone that does the opposite .

You are a grifting low life and you sir can fuck right off as well.

Enjoy the next few voting cycles…. I know I will.
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