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rodoheel said:
Also I'll add a massive thank you to local faith leaders in Chicago for getting out on the front lines of this. Their presence at protests like this is invaluable - both because they can be a calming influence on everyone and because it's important to see faith leaders who "walk the walk" when it comes to the teachings of Jesus (or Muhammad, or the Talmud, or whatever) rather than just talking the talk.
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right about now would be a great time for pope leo to weigh-in.
 
Molotov Mocktail said:
I wasn’t around at that time. From what I understand people at that time had an “unfavorable” view of the troops. So leaders spent decades changing that perception. IMO it’s become a bit ridiculous with the ra-ra-ra, rally around the troops, but I digress. I wouldn’t be surprised to see American’s views of the troops return to negative.

This is just another example of all the effort and resources used to build things that trump is tearing down for his own short-term gain.
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Remember, everything Trump touches dies. Now it's the military's turn on the deathbed.
 


“A woman who was shot multiple times by U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents did not ram them with her car and had her weapon stored in her purse at the time of the incident, according to her lawyer, contradicting accounts by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that described the shooting as an act of self-defense.

Marimar Martinez, 30, was charged on October 5 with assaulting a federal officer with a deadly or dangerous weapon after she followed a vehicle driven by border patrol agents with her car in the Brighton Park neighborhood on Chicago's Southwest Side.

… While prosecutors allege that Martinez drove her car at the border patrol agents' vehicle and struck it, Parente said … footage showed the driver of the border patrol vehicle turn the steering wheel to the left, toward Martinez's vehicle.

After the vehicles made contact, the agents stepped out and one fired at Martinez.

"Law enforcement was forced to deploy their weapons and fired defensive shots at an armed U.S. citizen," DHS said in its statement.

Parente said Martinez left her gun in her purse on her passenger seat. … Martinez holds a license to carry a concealed weapon in the state of Illinois, he added.

He said Martinez was shot five times by the border patrol agent. She drove away to an auto repair shop, where she called 911.

DHS initially misstated the location of the incident as Broadview, a Chicago suburb … DHS also said Martinez drove herself to the hospital, but Parente and U.S. prosecutors said an ambulance transported her from the repair shop.

… On September 12, a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent fatally shot Silverio Villegas-Gonzalez, 38, during an attempted arrest in the suburb of Franklin Park.

DHS also said in its statement that Villegas-Gonzalez drove his car at ICE agents, though surveillance video appeared to show him driving away.”
 
nycfan said:


“A woman who was shot multiple times by U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents did not ram them with her car and had her weapon stored in her purse at the time of the incident, according to her lawyer, contradicting accounts by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that described the shooting as an act of self-defense.

Marimar Martinez, 30, was charged on October 5 with assaulting a federal officer with a deadly or dangerous weapon after she followed a vehicle driven by border patrol agents with her car in the Brighton Park neighborhood on Chicago's Southwest Side.

… While prosecutors allege that Martinez drove her car at the border patrol agents' vehicle and struck it, Parente said … footage showed the driver of the border patrol vehicle turn the steering wheel to the left, toward Martinez's vehicle.

After the vehicles made contact, the agents stepped out and one fired at Martinez.

"Law enforcement was forced to deploy their weapons and fired defensive shots at an armed U.S. citizen," DHS said in its statement.

Parente said Martinez left her gun in her purse on her passenger seat. … Martinez holds a license to carry a concealed weapon in the state of Illinois, he added.

He said Martinez was shot five times by the border patrol agent. She drove away to an auto repair shop, where she called 911.

DHS initially misstated the location of the incident as Broadview, a Chicago suburb … DHS also said Martinez drove herself to the hospital, but Parente and U.S. prosecutors said an ambulance transported her from the repair shop.

… On September 12, a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent fatally shot Silverio Villegas-Gonzalez, 38, during an attempted arrest in the suburb of Franklin Park.

DHS also said in its statement that Villegas-Gonzalez drove his car at ICE agents, though surveillance video appeared to show him driving away.”
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So, murder. It was murder.
 
bassydude77 said:
Isn't it completely insane that that really was a deciding factor for a not small amount of people...
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If you know these people and grew up around them and in that culture, it actually isn't at all surprising. The loathing and fear of many social conservatives for anything LGBTQ related is off the charts. Many of them probably would rather lose their welfare benefits and struggle under Trump than give rights or acceptance to LGBTQ people. But yeah, it is definitely insane in the greater scheme of things. The rest of us have to suffer so they can feel safe that a transgender person isn't playing girls' sports or might use a woman's public restroom somewhere.
 
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