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I don’t care who you talk shit about dude.

It’s blinkered to act like the Democratic Party is above criticism.
Sure but not nearly as blinkered as to put more blame on them than the Republicans or probably even the media. They've always claimed to be the watch dogs for America. If they hadn't acted like whipped puppies, things would have been different.

What of those criticisms can be fixed when you can't count on getting your message out?
 
Did I ever say they deserve more blame?
No exactly but apparently I didn't understand that addressing problems that probably couldn't be fixed until more important ones were was worth focusing on right now. Fix them in order of importance and see how many of the lesser ones are symptoms.
 
I don’t care who you talk shit about dude.

It’s blinkered to act like the Democratic Party is above criticism.
I was only asking the question b/c you seemed to take such umbrage at criticisms (not by me) that "the progressives" cost Hillary the election in 2016. I was just wondering that since you seem to be receptive/interested/whatever in promoting a podcast that depicts the democratic party as one feckless point in an infernal triangle, what (if any) criticisms would you accept or level yourself at the progressive wing of that party. It also seems a little bit disingenuous, in light of the language of feckless and infernal, to then act like this is merely pointing out that the democratic party isn't perfect. Feckless and infernal are a far cry for "isn't perfect." Don't throw out feckless and infernal and then act all "oh shucks" like all you were saying was just "isn't perfect"...
 
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@Paine, do you have anything written from Perlstein that summarizes his issues with the Democratic Party? Something that one could read in 15 or so minutes or less?

Thanks.
 

Don’t think anything he raises here is unreasonable.
If those are the worst things that one can say about Dems, then the party is actually far better than I would have thought before reading that article.

Also, this is hilarious hypocrisy...

"And in the third corner, those agenda-setting elite political journalists, who frame the Democrats as one of the “sides” in a tragic folie à deux destroying a nation otherwise united and at peace with itself because both sides stubbornly … refuse to compromise."

...said by a man who frames the Democrats as one-third of the "triangle" that is failing our country.
 

Don’t think anything he raises here is unreasonable.
No. It all seem perfectly reasonable. I just don't get what part of the Dems problem can be immediately addressed. They don't have the power in any branch of the government except the executive to do anything but offer compromises, mostly for the reasons super listed earlier. It's a lot like blaming the victim, imo. Basically he admits that the biggest mistakes the Democrats made was expecting the press and Republicans to be principled and making good faith attempts to reach common ground.
 
You don’t understand how the failure of the liberal party to address the material needs of its citizens while it’s in power leads to more and more people willing to accept far-right authoritarianism as an alternative over time?
How exactly have the Dems not addressed the material needs of Americans?
 
When Dems have to work so hard just to clean up the mess left by Republicans, along with having an entire half of government who is unwilling to function much less willing to compromise to get anything done, then no I don’t understand it.
(Totally worthwhile and not exhausting run-on sentence impending)

Yeah, we got some folks that think Dems just don’t do enough all the while they desperately and fervently protect the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, expand food stamps, forgive billions (and Tried billions more) in student loans, passed massive infrastructure bills, support unions throughout the country, structured the greatest economic comeback since the Great Depression, etc. all while fending off a party filled with fucking arsonist Nazis, AND have to clean up said Nazis’ political vomit and shit every few years, all in a country that is distinctly right of center compared to relative peers. Not. Doing. Enough.
 
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When Dems have to work so hard just to clean up the mess left by Republicans, along with having an entire half of government who is unwilling to function much less willing to compromise to get anything done, then no I don’t understand it.
This is correct. When Trump brought his playpen to the White House, I left the GOP behind. Forever.
 
No surprise, but Fox News is completely ignoring all of the blatant racism displayed at the Trump NYC rally and is instead playing up the "A list" celebrities who came out to support Dear Leader (like, who, Dr. Phil?) and how it was a "bold move" by Dear Leader to win votes in a blue state. Just a total misrepresentation and denial of what that rally was actually about. But it's Fox, so it's not really a surprise.
 
You don’t understand how the failure of the liberal party to address the material needs of its citizens while it’s in power leads to more and more people willing to accept far-right authoritarianism as an alternative over time?
Democrats had control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency for a grand total of 4 of the past 24 years.

What the fuck, dude.
 
No surprise, but Fox News is completely ignoring all of the blatant racism displayed at the Trump NYC rally and is instead playing up the "A list" celebrities who came out to support Dear Leader (like, who, Dr. Phil?) and how it was a "bold move" by Dear Leader to win votes in a blue state. Just a total misrepresentation and denial of what that rally was actually about. But it's Fox, so it's not really a surprise.
Agree completely. Fox's coverage had a real "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" aspect to it. Just ignore all the overtly racist and fascist stuff and focus on "Trump GOOD, Harris BAD!"
 
(Totally worthwhile and exhausting run-on sentence impending)

Yeah, we got some folks that think Dems just don’t do enough all the while they desperately and fervently protect the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, expand food stamps, forgive billions (and Tried billions more) in student loans, passed massive infrastructure bills, support unions throughout the country, structured the greatest economic comeback since the Great Depression, etc. all while fending off a party filled with fucking arsonist Nazis, AND have to clean up said Nazis’ political vomit and shit every few years, all in a country that is distinctly right of center compared to relative peers. Not. Doing. Enough.
Summarizing in meme form...

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