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Paine said:
I don’t care who you talk shit about dude.

It’s blinkered to act like the Democratic Party is above criticism.
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I was only asking the question b/c you seemed to take such umbrage at criticisms (not by me) that "the progressives" cost Hillary the election in 2016. I was just wondering that since you seem to be receptive/interested/whatever in promoting a podcast that depicts the democratic party as one feckless point in an infernal triangle, what (if any) criticisms would you accept or level yourself at the progressive wing of that party. It also seems a little bit disingenuous, in light of the language of feckless and infernal, to then act like this is merely pointing out that the democratic party isn't perfect. Feckless and infernal are a far cry for "isn't perfect." Don't throw out feckless and infernal and then act all "oh shucks" like all you were saying was just "isn't perfect"...
 
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@Paine, do you have anything written from Perlstein that summarizes his issues with the Democratic Party? Something that one could read in 15 or so minutes or less?

Thanks.
 
Paine said:
prospect.org

You Are Entering the Infernal Triangle

Authoritarian Republicans, ineffectual Democrats, and a clueless media
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Don’t think anything he raises here is unreasonable.
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If those are the worst things that one can say about Dems, then the party is actually far better than I would have thought before reading that article.

Also, this is hilarious hypocrisy...

"And in the third corner, those agenda-setting elite political journalists, who frame the Democrats as one of the “sides” in a tragic folie à deux destroying a nation otherwise united and at peace with itself because both sides stubbornly … refuse to compromise."

...said by a man who frames the Democrats as one-third of the "triangle" that is failing our country.
 
Paine said:
prospect.org

You Are Entering the Infernal Triangle

Authoritarian Republicans, ineffectual Democrats, and a clueless media
prospect.org prospect.org

Don’t think anything he raises here is unreasonable.
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No. It all seem perfectly reasonable. I just don't get what part of the Dems problem can be immediately addressed. They don't have the power in any branch of the government except the executive to do anything but offer compromises, mostly for the reasons super listed earlier. It's a lot like blaming the victim, imo. Basically he admits that the biggest mistakes the Democrats made was expecting the press and Republicans to be principled and making good faith attempts to reach common ground.
 
Paine said:
You don’t understand how the failure of the liberal party to address the material needs of its citizens while it’s in power leads to more and more people willing to accept far-right authoritarianism as an alternative over time?
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How exactly have the Dems not addressed the material needs of Americans?
 
lightbluenc said:
When Dems have to work so hard just to clean up the mess left by Republicans, along with having an entire half of government who is unwilling to function much less willing to compromise to get anything done, then no I don’t understand it.
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This is correct. When Trump brought his playpen to the White House, I left the GOP behind. Forever.
 
No surprise, but Fox News is completely ignoring all of the blatant racism displayed at the Trump NYC rally and is instead playing up the "A list" celebrities who came out to support Dear Leader (like, who, Dr. Phil?) and how it was a "bold move" by Dear Leader to win votes in a blue state. Just a total misrepresentation and denial of what that rally was actually about. But it's Fox, so it's not really a surprise.
 
Paine said:
You don’t understand how the failure of the liberal party to address the material needs of its citizens while it’s in power leads to more and more people willing to accept far-right authoritarianism as an alternative over time?
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Democrats had control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency for a grand total of 4 of the past 24 years.

What the fuck, dude.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
No surprise, but Fox News is completely ignoring all of the blatant racism displayed at the Trump NYC rally and is instead playing up the "A list" celebrities who came out to support Dear Leader (like, who, Dr. Phil?) and how it was a "bold move" by Dear Leader to win votes in a blue state. Just a total misrepresentation and denial of what that rally was actually about. But it's Fox, so it's not really a surprise.
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Agree completely. Fox's coverage had a real "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" aspect to it. Just ignore all the overtly racist and fascist stuff and focus on "Trump GOOD, Harris BAD!"
 
HeelingAg said:
(Totally worthwhile and exhausting run-on sentence impending)

Yeah, we got some folks that think Dems just don’t do enough all the while they desperately and fervently protect the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, expand food stamps, forgive billions (and Tried billions more) in student loans, passed massive infrastructure bills, support unions throughout the country, structured the greatest economic comeback since the Great Depression, etc. all while fending off a party filled with fucking arsonist Nazis, AND have to clean up said Nazis’ political vomit and shit every few years, all in a country that is distinctly right of center compared to relative peers. Not. Doing. Enough.
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Summarizing in meme form...

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Paine said:
You don’t understand how the failure of the liberal party to address the material needs of its citizens while it’s in power leads to more and more people willing to accept far-right authoritarianism as an alternative over time?
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I can understand that as a theoretical argument, although you’d have to do a lot of work to convince me that it applies to the US in our time.

But that article has nothing to do with that idea, that article is nothing more than a recounting of Joe Lieberman’s crumminess with 95% of the focus on the 2000 election debacle. The same Joe Lieberman who ended his career outside the Democratic Party as an independent.

If you think that article makes any real point about the Democratic Party in 2024, I suspect it mostly serves to show that you have no real point.
 


A HUGE problem with trying to report this kind of thing — NYT is to staid to share the complete (or any) quotes in most cases, relying instead on vague descriptions.

“… opened with a standup comic who called Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” in a set that also included derogatory remarks about Latinos generally, African Americans, Palestinians and Jews.

… The comic, Tony Hinchcliffe, was the warm-up act ahead of several other speakers whose remarks were laced with vulgar insults, profanity and racist comments.

The crowd inside Madison Square Garden was predominantly white, with a significant number of Latinos. Many groaned at Mr. Hinchcliffe’s insult to Puerto Rico. Still, he told a tasteless, vulgar joke about the size of Hispanic families, mentioned watermelons as he called out a Black man in the audience and mocked Palestinians as rock-throwers and Jews as cheapskates. [MY Note - on video, it seemed many laughed and cheered]

… Mr. Trump’s rally featured a series of speakers whose remarks were far outside of longstanding political boundaries.

One, Sid Rosenberg, a conservative radio host, referred to Hillary Clinton with profanity and a sexist epithet. And Grant Cardone, a businessman who spoke early in the program, referred to Ms. Harris as if she were a prostitute. Later in the program, Tucker Carlson, the former Fox News host, mocked Ms. Harris’s racial identity and intelligence as he jeered the idea that she could win in November. …”
 
NY Times wen back and did an article with actual quotes from the M(AGA)SG event

www.nytimes.com

The Misogynistic, Bigoted and Crude Rally Remarks Trump Hasn’t Disavowed

A range of speakers at Madison Square Garden on Sunday disparaged Latinos, Black people, Palestinians and Jews, and made vulgar references to Kamala Harris. The Trump campaign has distanced itself from only one of these statements.
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  • Mr. Hinchcliffe said: “Cool, Black guy with a thing on his head? What is that, a lampshade? Look at this guy, oh my goodness. Wow. I’m just kidding, that’s one of my buddies. He had a Halloween party last night. We had fun. We carved watermelons together.”
  • Hinchcliffe: “When it comes to Israel and Palestine, we’re all thinking the same thing. Settle your stuff already,” he said. “Best out of three. Rock, paper, scissors. You know the Palestinians, they’re going to throw a rock every time. But you also know the Jews have a hard time throwing that paper, if you know what I’m saying.” He made a motion with his hands to indicate dollar bills.
  • Hinchcliffe: implied that the N.F.L. star Travis Kelce might kill his girlfriend, pop star Taylor Swift, whom Mr. Trump is angry at for endorsing Ms. Harris. “I think football should be all year round,” Mr. Hinchcliffe said. “So many great athletes. I don’t know about you guys, but I think that Travis Kelce might be the next O.J. Simpson.”
 
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  • Sid Rosenberg: “She is some sick bastard, that Hillary Clinton, huh?” he said. “What a sick son of a bitch. The whole fucking party, a bunch of degenerates, lowlives, Jew-haters and lowlives. Every one of them. Every one of them.”
  • Rosenberg: “You got homeless and veterans, Americans, Americans, sleeping in their own feces on a bench in Central Park,” he said. “But the fucking illegals, they get whatever they want, don’t they?”
  • Grant Cardone: “Her and her pimp handlers will destroy our country.”
  • Cardone: “We need to slaughter this other people.”
  • Stephen Miller: Trump would “stand up and say the cartels are gone, the criminal migrants are gone, the gangs are gone, America is for Americans and Americans only.” (“America for Americans” was a slogan used by the Ku Klux Klan.)
  • Tucker Carlson: “People know, in a country that has been taken over by a leadership class that actually despises them and their values and their history and their culture and their customs, really hates them, to the point that it’s trying to replace them — they know someone who actually has affection for them, and that’s Donald Trump,” he said.
  • Carlson: “It’s going to be pretty hard to look at us and say: ‘You know what, Kamala Harris, she’s just, she got 85 million votes because she’s just so impressive as the first Samoan-Malaysian, low IQ former California prosecutor ever to be elected president,’” he said. “‘It was just a groundswell of popular support, and anyone who thinks otherwise is just a freak or a criminal.’”
 
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