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mpaer said:
All in all 5 humans essentially get regular deliveries on mine So its how I justify it
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It's more me being quirky. I order from them but I'm never in a rush and wait until I'm ordering enough to get free shipping , anyway. I just never needed it and thought it would encourage them to bother me more. Ordering books on Kindle did enough of that.
 
SnoopRob said:
You'd be amazed how many folks in rural areas are using community food pantries or other similar services on a regular basis.

I wasn't clear enough in my reply, though, so let me be more clear. I'm not saying that our rural communities are as bad as 1930s Germany. I'm saying that many of these communities are now on a 40-plus-year decline of manufacturing jobs and that many of the folks in these communities feel very, very hopeless about the future. And it's the loss of hope that create the conditions that push folks to turn to authoritarianism as a solution.
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They need to move where the jobs are. People from central America are walking hundreds of miles to take jobs that some backwoods losers won’t move 50 miles for. Enough of this BS. If Trump wins I want them to get exactly what they deserve. Misery. Biblical level misery.
 
mpaer said:
All in all 5 humans essentially get regular deliveries on mine So its how I justify it
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Like you, 4 including myself. Pays for itself that way. Not concerned with delivery time and I think I've only watched prime video twiice.
 
Paine said:
Not sure that there is one. But I’m not going to rehash this argument with you again when you won’t even bother to listen to the podcast in question.

It’s not “both siding” to point out that the Democratic Party is not perfect, particularly when it comes to fending off a rising fascist movement w/o the press to help them. That’s literally what the podcast, Rick’s column, and his forthcoming book are about.
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What is it you think the Dems should do differently?
 
Paine said:
Not sure that there is one. But I’m not going to rehash this argument with you again when you won’t even bother to listen to the podcast in question.

It’s not “both siding” to point out that the Democratic Party is not perfect, particularly when it comes to fending off a rising fascist movement w/o the press to help them. That’s literally what the podcast, Rick’s column, and his forthcoming book are about.
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If the Infernal Triangle consists of three points, one of which is the GOP and one of which is the Dems, then it's both-siding. It' not a question of "even bothering." It's a question of ROI on my time. If he is making a different point than the Dems are also to blame for the GOP's authoritarianism, then maybe he shouldn't write about an infernal triangle.

Of course the Democrats are not perfect. What kind of a standard is that?
 
Paine said:
That’s not what he’s arguing. Listen to the podcast if you want to talk about it.
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I don't want to talk about it enough to listen to the podcast. How about this? I'm tired of people, not necessarily Rick Perlstein, shitting on the Dems as if they are somehow responsible for virulent racism and ugliness pouring out of GOP sewers. The Dems have a really fucking hard job and for the most part they do it well. All these people sitting around, talking about how inept the Dems are -- I mean, we get that on this board too. I get the frustration, but calling the Dems inept or dysfunctional or feckless or clueless bothers me.

Dems have been fighting an uphill battle against
a) a ridiculous EC and Senate system that has become broken to the point of comedy because of rank partisanship;
b) a radical extremist Supreme Court;
c) gerrymandering, that has pushed the GOP to ridiculous extremes;
d) a campaign finance system that is both necessary to participate in, and unseemly and distorting;
e) Fox News and other conservative propaganda;
and f) Netanyahu openly trying to help Trump by waging war.

That's a lot of fucking obstacles, and it's not close to exhaustive.
 
Paine said:
I already said Perlstein isn’t arguing that Dems are responsible for the Republican’s turn to authoritarianism. In the time you’ve spent typing out these posts, you could’ve easily listened to the podcast or read his Infernal Triangle articles in TAP.

I don’t want to argue about the content of the podcast. I was posting it for people who were interested in it, not people who don’t listen to podcasts and just want to argue about what they think Perlstein might be saying.
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These posts have taken me 10 minutes to type and I can listen to other things in the background. Do you agree with my assessment above about people, not necessarily Rick Perlstein, who talk shit about the Dems?
 
aGDevil2k said:
He is? Log Cabin?
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No idea. My brother used to work at Apple and said that Cook's politics were a source of consternation for a lot of people. And back in 2016, he was raising a lot of money for Paul Ryan.


However, a little bit of reading tells me that Cook is not MAGA and is probably something of a never-Trumper. Might not be GOP any more. He raised money for HRC later that same cycle. I'm almost positive Cook was a Republican during the Obama administration.
 
Paine said:
I don’t care who you talk shit about dude.

It’s blinkered to act like the Democratic Party is above criticism.
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Sure but not nearly as blinkered as to put more blame on them than the Republicans or probably even the media. They've always claimed to be the watch dogs for America. If they hadn't acted like whipped puppies, things would have been different.

What of those criticisms can be fixed when you can't count on getting your message out?
 
Paine said:
Did I ever say they deserve more blame?
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No exactly but apparently I didn't understand that addressing problems that probably couldn't be fixed until more important ones were was worth focusing on right now. Fix them in order of importance and see how many of the lesser ones are symptoms.
 
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