Michelle Morrow -NC GOP Secretary of Ed Candidate, Lunatic

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Mulberry Heel said:
I don't know - in a race like this it might be good to run some ads over the summer to introduce yourself and start framing your opponent as early as possible. I just hope that Green has enough money in the fall to run a lot of ads.
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Like you said, I definitely think the NC Democratic Party will set aside some money for this race. The ads against Morrow write themselves, so it won’t be hard.
 
Paine said:
There are plenty of Republicans in rural areas who continue to rely on public education. Dems need to plaster Morrow’s positions across the airwaves.
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You are absolutely correct. There are a lot of Republican voters whose children will be harmed by what Ms. Morrow will attempt to do to public education in North Carolina, with the connivance of the General Assembly and the NC Supreme Court.. But of those Republican voters you have correctly identified, how many are in the "Leopards Ate My Face" wing of the Republican Party? And once leopards eat their faces, how many of those voters will cry out, "Look what the Democrats did to my face." My personal estimate, somewhere between 98% and 99%. Educating Republican voters falls into the "Never mud-wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig will enjoy it." If Republican voters genuinely cared about their children's education, they would be Democrats.

ETA: Educating Republican voters falls into the "Never mud-wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig will enjoy it." If Republican voters genuinely cared about their children's education, they would be Democrats. Public education is a partnership between parents and teachers. Private education is parents throwing money at a problem they have neither the time nor patience to deal with themselves.
 
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Mo Green is the Democratic candidate for State Superintendent of Public Instruction in North Carolina.

Green has long been a champion for public education across our state. He served as superintendent of Guilford County Schools – the third largest district in North Carolina, as well as the deputy superintendent, chief operating officer, and general counsel of Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools. Green began his career as a lawyer in private practice after doing two United States judicial clerkships. Most recently, he served as the executive director of the Z. Smith Reynolds Foundation.
 
05C40 said:
You are absolutely correct. There are a lot of Republican voters whose children will be harmed by what Ms. Morrow will attempt to do to public education in North Carolina, with the connivance of the General Assembly and the NC Supreme Court.. But of those Republican voters you have correctly identified, how many are in the "Leopards Ate My Face" wing of the Republican Party? And once leopards eat their faces, how many of those voters will cry out, "Look what the Democrats did to my face." My personal estimate, somewhere between 98% and 99%. Educating Republican voters falls into the "Never mud-wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig will enjoy it." If Republican voters genuinely cared about their children's education, they would be Democrats.
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I just don’t think your last sentence is accurate. Yes, there are a certain number of leopards ate my face Republicans, as you say.

But NC is still the second most rural state behind Texas. Texas is in the middle of a big fight over school vouchers because several rural Republicans won’t support vouchers.

I think, as the last few weeks have demonstrated, Dems just need a good message. I think someone like Walz could come into NC and appeal to rural Republican women who want their kids to have good public schools.

Like I said, I def don’t deny that the majority of Republicans have bought into the propaganda and would gut public schools, but I think there is a minority who we can appeal to (which is all we need to win a statewide race).
 
Paine said:
I just don’t think your last sentence is accurate. Yes, there are a certain number of leopards ate my face Republicans, as you say.

But NC is still the second most rural state behind Texas. Texas is in the middle of a big fight over school vouchers because several rural Republicans won’t support vouchers.

I think, as the last few weeks have demonstrated, Dems just need a good message. I think someone like Walz could come into NC and appeal to rural Republican women who want their kids to have good public schools.

Like I said, I def don’t deny that the majority of Republicans have bought into the propaganda and would gut public schools, but I think there is a minority who we can appeal to (which is all we need to win a statewide race).
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2nd most rural state? Where's that coming from?
 
Oh ok. Still true if you look at number of people living in rural areas. But % wise, we aren't close to the top

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aGDevil2k said:
Oh ok. Still true if you look at number of people living in rural areas. But % wise, we aren't close to the top

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Right, for sure. A lot of places have us beat in that regard. I’m just speaking in terms of winning the statewide superintendent race. If Dems can peel off enough rural Republicans who support their public schools, they win.

Good thing for us is there are a lot of rural republicans in the NC who may not vote for a Dem pres or even a Dem gov, but may vote for a Dem superintendent.

Wishful thinking? Perhaps. But a lot of stuff that has happened in the past few weeks have been things I had only dreamt of weeks ago…lol
 
Paine said:
I just don’t think your last sentence is accurate. Yes, there are a certain number of leopards ate my face Republicans, as you say.

But NC is still the second most rural state behind Texas. Texas is in the middle of a big fight over school vouchers because several rural Republicans won’t support vouchers.

I think, as the last few weeks have demonstrated, Dems just need a good message. I think someone like Walz could come into NC and appeal to rural Republican women who want their kids to have good public schools.

Like I said, I def don’t deny that the majority of Republicans have bought into the propaganda and would gut public schools, but I think there is a minority who we can appeal to (which is all we need to win a statewide race).
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I admire your optimism and your faith in the basic fundamental decency of people. But admiring something and believing something are different concepts. There is always a limited amount of money in any campaign. Never an infinite supply of cash. The question is not what is possible, but what can be paid for. I think the best use of Democratic resources is to get existing Democrats to vote. With an emphasis on those who will be most harmed by the Republican "Back to Past" mantra. I genuinely believe that convincing Democrats to vote is a better use of limited campaign resources that convincing some racist, hate-filled, spite-driven MAGA voter that the persons for whom he intends to vote will intentionally take steps to disadvantage his children. Wrestling that particular pig in the pig pen is a futile effort and a waste of money.
 
05C40 said:
I admire your optimism and your faith in the basic fundamental decency of people. But admiring something and believing something are different concepts. There is always a limited amount of money in any campaign. Never an infinite supply of cash. The question is not what is possible, but what can be paid for. I think the best use of Democratic resources is to get existing Democrats to vote. With an emphasis on those who will be most harmed by the Republican "Back to Past" mantra. I genuinely believe that convincing Democrats to vote is a better use of limited campaign resources that convincing some racist, hate-filled, spite-driven MAGA voter that the persons for whom he intends to vote will intentionally take steps to disadvantage his children. Wrestling that particular pig in the pig pen is a futile effort and a waste of money.
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I also agree with that. I’m talking about persuadable voters who have voted for Republicans, not people who are voting Republican no matter what.

You can’t win statewide elections in NC by just turning out Democrats. The numbers don’t add up.

Should Dems focus on Dem-leaning independents and Dem-friendly nonvoters? Yes, and I’ve argued for that.

Outreach to those who have voted for Republicans is also necessary. We can’t lump them all in as a lost cause. That’s losing politics.
 
Paine said:
I also agree with that. I’m talking about persuadable voters who have voted for Republicans, not people who are voting Republican no matter what.

You can’t win statewide elections in NC by just turning out Democrats. The numbers don’t add up.

Should Dems focus on Dem-leaning independents and Dem-friendly nonvoters? Yes, and I’ve argued for that.

Outreach to those who have voted for Republicans is also necessary. We can’t lump them all in as a lost cause. That’s losing politics.
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I disagree with your analysis. I think you greatly underestimate the number of voters in North Carolina who do not register as either a Democrat or a Republican. I'm not suggesting ignoring those registered as independents. I'm suggesting going after registered Republicans is nothing but fool's gold. The only way that registered Republicans are going to be changed is some variation of the old saying, "Experience is a harsh teacher, but a fool will learn no other way." Or some variation of a line from Dicken's "Oliver Twist," that states in regard to husbands being legally responsible for their wives because wives do what their husband instruct them to do, IIRC, "If the law supposes that, the law is an ass--an idiot. If that's the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience - by experience." But even I am not harsh enough in my regard for rank-and-file Republicans that I wish their eyes should "be opened by experience."
 
She is a scary nut job. Pubs want to get rid of public education. They want to make all private schools so they can make money off it and so they can make them all schools for Christian extremism. And they use fear tactics like saying kids are being indoctrinated in public schools to make the idiots vote for them.
 
05C40 said:
I disagree with your analysis. I think you greatly underestimate the number of voters in North Carolina who do not register as either a Democrat or a Republican. I'm not suggesting ignoring those registered as independents. I'm suggesting going after registered Republicans is nothing but fool's gold. The only way that registered Republicans are going to be changed is some variation of the old saying, "Experience is a harsh teacher, but a fool will learn no other way." Or some variation of a line from Dicken's "Oliver Twist," that states in regard to husbands being legally responsible for their wives because wives do what their husband instruct them to do, IIRC, "If the law supposes that, the law is an ass--an idiot. If that's the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience - by experience." But even I am not harsh enough in my regard for rank-and-file Republicans that I wish their eyes should "be opened by experience."
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I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree then. The Harris campaign seems to think going after disaffected Republicans is important, and I agree.

Not sure how you think I greatly underestimate the number of people not registered as either. I’m more than aware that independents make up the largest portion of NC voters.

You seem to be suggesting that any of these voters who have voted R in the past are irredeemable and should be written off. I reject that.
 
rodoheel said:
The statewide candidates that keep getting put up in NC are a great illustration of how party primaries can be harmful by giving an advantage to the most extreme candidates (who appeal to the more extreme voters who vote in party primaries, especially on the Republican side).
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Amen on this. Extremely frustrating.
 
CarolinaFever said:
She is a scary nut job. Pubs want to get rid of public education. They want to make all private schools so they can make money off it and so they can make them all schools for Christian extremism. And they use fear tactics like saying kids are being indoctrinated in public schools to make the idiots vote for them.
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The goal from right wingers everywhere is to kill public schools and replace them with charter schools. See what has happened in New Orleans. The urban schools are the first target. The party who is primarily rural and white does not want to have their tax money used to pay for others’ education. Plus they can strip local control from the schools and keep it at the mercy of their gerrymandered state governments. And in charters they can put whoever they want as a teacher (certified or not) and fire the ones they don’t want so much easier.
 
HeelInTheOzarks said:
The goal from right wingers everywhere is to kill public schools and replace them with charter schools. See what has happened in New Orleans. The urban schools are the first target. The party who is primarily rural and white does not want to have their tax money used to pay for others’ education. Plus they can strip local control from the schools and keep it at the mercy of their gerrymandered state governments. And in charters they can put whoever they want as a teacher (certified or not) and fire the ones they don’t want so much easier.
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And they can also admit and kick out any kids they want for any reason. They don't have to go by the same rules as public schools.
 
CarolinaFever said:
And they can also admit and kick out any kids they want for any reason. They don't have to go by the same rules as public schools.
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And that is a feature, not a flaw being exploited. By making sure only the ideologically pure get an education, the future of governmental and corporation bureaucracies can be enshrined in politically correct hands.
 
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