Minnesota assasination thread

ZZLPHeels said:
I can literally provide you with hundreds of examples of police officers risking and many times losing their lives to protect the public. It is clear that you have a strange axe to grind against law enforcement, either because of a past criminal record or an anarchist streak. Either way, not appropriate for this thread. If you think you can do a better job, you are more than welcome to fly up to Minnesota and try and track down this guy yourself.
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LOL. I think he's just a troll. The police in Uvalde crapped the bed in a fashion that was frankly incomprehensible. The reason it was incomprehensible was that police don't usually act that way.
 
superrific said:
www.pewresearch.org

What the data says about crime in the U.S.

Federal statistics show dramatic declines in U.S. violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s.
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In 2022, police nationwide cleared 36.7% of violent crimes that were reported to them and 12.1% of the property crimes that came to their attention.\

Property crimes include small misdemeanors. A while ago, the CD player in my auto got stolen twice in one year. They smashed the glass. Each time I had to report it to the cops in order to get insurance coverage. I did not expect the police to spend a huge amount of energy trying to find the guy who ripped off $100 of merch. That's not bad policing. That's called priorities.
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i mean, if you're going to act like 37% is a decent success rate, feel free.
that said, "clearance" is a juiced number, because a case is cleared when an arrest is made even if the arrested person isn't convicted, and the stats start out unbalanced because of what cops choose to include and exclude in reported crimes. independent analysis finds that the numbers are usually about half of what the FBI publishes: How Effective Are Police? The Problem of Clearance Rates and Criminal Accountability.
 
@ZZLPHeels is right, this isn't an ACAB thread, so I'll try and bring things back on topic after the derailment. What has gotten into my "bonnet," per se, is that police are now shutting down an instance of one of the biggest coordinated nationwide protests we've seen because they let a domestic terrorist escape them on foot. Now they're telling Minnesotans that if anybody identifies themselves as police in front of them, their first step should be to not trust them and call dispatch... it's not hard to imagine what happens when a trigger-happy cop confronts a Black person who follows those exact instructions and reaches for his pocket.
 
akillesheel said:
@ZZLPHeels is right, this isn't an ACAB thread, so I'll try and bring things back on topic after the derailment. What has gotten into my "bonnet," per se, is that police are now shutting down an instance of one of the biggest coordinated nationwide protests we've seen because they let a domestic terrorist escape them on foot. Now they're telling Minnesotans that if anybody identifies themselves as police in front of them, their first step should be to not trust them and call dispatch... it's not hard to imagine what happens when a trigger-happy cop confronts a Black person who follows those exact instructions and reaches for his pocket.
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The protest isn’t cancelled. The police asked people to not show up due to information in the shooter’s car that suggested that the protest might be targeted. That’s all they can do. With regard to the rest of your post, this guy is a lone wolf and the police are moving in pairs right now. They have asked that if a solo cop comes to your door in the affected area to call 911. And contrary to what you might believe, the cops aren’t just going around looking for Black people to shoot.
 
A police source is reporting the suspect is Vance Luther Boelter. He wss appointed to the Governor’s Workforce Development Board in 2019 by Gov Walz. “No Kings” flyers found in the suspects car.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
The protest isn’t cancelled. The police asked people to not show up due to information in the shooter’s car that suggested that the protest might be targeted. That’s all they can do. With regard to the rest of your post, this guy is a lone wolf and the police are moving in pairs right now. They have asked that if a solo cop comes to your door in the affected area to call 911. And contrary to what you might believe, the cops aren’t just going around looking for Black people to shoot.
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show me where i said "cancelled."
show me where i said the instruction to call 911 was a tactic rather than a missive that could easily be miscommunicated by hearsay or misunderstood by a scared public.
show me where i said such a tragedy would be the norm, not an outlier that could still have been easily avoided.

i note that you have not addressed that this has all been caused by police, in cars, failing to apprehend a man on foot while successfully securing his car and thus his ostensible means of escape.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
With regard to the rest of your post, this guy is a lone wolf and the police are moving in pairs right now.
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I wouldn’t count on that just yet. He was apparently alone at the time of the shootings, but given the detail of his disguise and that of the vehicle, may well have had assistance.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
You ever been shot at before? Maybe instead of going full on conspiracy you could recognize that you have no clue what you are talking about.
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You would think it was their families who were shot. Some really effed up people. Formally educated certainly doesn’t equal rational and emotionally mature.
 
akillesheel said:
completely different ballgames. most trustworthy analyses set the rate of preventable adverse patient outcomes between 1 and 5%. that's basically American police's solve rate for serious crimes.

after uvalde, i can only laugh at anybody who seriously says that police are risking their lives to protect anybody.
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Check yourself into a mental hospital. You need help.
 
akillesheel said:
show me where i said "cancelled."
show me where i said the instruction to call 911 was a tactic rather than a missive that could easily be miscommunicated by hearsay or misunderstood by a scared public.
show me where i said such a tragedy would be the norm, not an outlier that could still have been easily avoided.

i note that you have not addressed that this has all been caused by police, in cars, failing to apprehend a man on foot while successfully securing his car and thus his ostensible means of escape.
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This was not caused by the police. Someone shot at police officers, who returned fire. He escaped. There are hundreds of officers risking their lives to find him now. Stop blaming the police for the actions of a deranged gunman who literally tried to kill them.
 
akillesheel said:
@ZZLPHeels is right, this isn't an ACAB thread, so I'll try and bring things back on topic after the derailment. What has gotten into my "bonnet," per se, is that police are now shutting down an instance of one of the biggest coordinated nationwide protests we've seen because they let a domestic terrorist escape them on foot. Now they're telling Minnesotans that if anybody identifies themselves as police in front of them, their first step should be to not trust them and call dispatch... it's not hard to imagine what happens when a trigger-happy cop confronts a Black person who follows those exact instructions and reaches for his pocket.
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Why are you posting and not at a protest? Do your job man.
 
akillesheel said:
i mean, if you're going to act like 37% is a decent success rate, feel free.
that said, "clearance" is a juiced number, because a case is cleared when an arrest is made even if the arrested person isn't convicted, and the stats start out unbalanced because of what cops choose to include and exclude in reported crimes. independent analysis finds that the numbers are usually about half of what the FBI publishes: How Effective Are Police? The Problem of Clearance Rates and Criminal Accountability.
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You said 1-5%. I was giving real statistics. I don't think I can actually evaluate whether 37% is decent, because it really depends on the difficulty of the problem. I've given exams where the mean was 40-45% and thus 37% would be a C+ or B- (in a system where B is the median grade, as many law schools do). It wasn't because my students were idiots. It's because the exam was really hard.

Without being knowledgeable about investigations and criminology more generally, I'm loathe to judge.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
The protest isn’t cancelled. The police asked people to not show up due to information in the shooter’s car that suggested that the protest might be targeted. That’s all they can do. With regard to the rest of your post, this guy is a lone wolf and the police are moving in pairs right now. They have asked that if a solo cop comes to your door in the affected area to call 911. And contrary to what you might believe, the cops aren’t just going around looking for Black people to shoot.
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Even if he was captured, not sure going to the rally would be a good idea. This plot was sophisticated. There's a substantial possibility that he had help, and shooting up the rally could be part of the plan. That said, his planning surely started before these rallies were even a conception.
 
Ramrouser said:
A police source is reporting the suspect is Vance Luther Boelter. He wss appointed to the Governor’s Workforce Development Board in 2019 by Gov Walz. “No Kings” flyers found in the suspects car.
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The GWDB is not a partisan or political institution. There are 32 people who each serve three year terms. They are supposed to represent a lot of different stakeholders, including business, labor, community, etc. I very much doubt there is an ideological screen. Note he was originally appointed by Walz' predecessor.

See, this is how good government actually works: the executive appoints the best people to the position, and they carry out their duties, and loyalty to the president/governor's agenda is not the paramount item of importance. Some states are more than happy to get smart knowledgeable people together to solve problems, without much regard for ideology. I mean, they aren't going to appoint communists or Klansmen, and Dems and Pubs are more likely to appoint same-party (I would suppose, because Dems tend to have closer ties with other Dems and same with Pubs), but it's not if we can conclude anything about this dude's politics from that appointment.

In one of the pics on the internet, dude kind of looks like Hansbrough. Not that I've actually seen Hans for a while, but there seems to be a similarity.
 
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