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After *loving* Poor Things and being discouraged by mixed reception and long runtime on this one… finally got around to Kinds of Kindness —
Yorgos is back in dark and creepy form with this one. Not quite as creepy or twisted as Killing of a Sacred Deer and not as darkly funny as The Lobster but close. The lowered expectations helped, but I enjoyed it.

But it’s definitely not for everyone, very non linear and twisted.
 
I watched Wicked last night. Had never read the book or seen the play, so came at it de novo.

It was visually ravishing and overall enjoyable, though you could feel that it was stretched thin by making two films out of a single play, I guess. Probably heretical, but I thought the songs, while extremely well performed by the two leads, are just solid Broadway fare. Like nothing stuck with me afterward.

But it did overall feel like a throwback in someways to old Hollywood entertainment for the senses, and I don't know if you can call something that obvious subversive, but at least it has some brains in its head.
My daughters made me watch Wicked. Musicals are not my genre. But, I really enjoyed it. I wish we had paid the extra $10 to purchase it instead of just rented.

I'll probably buy it later for my daughter.
 
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After *loving* Poor Things and being discouraged by mixed reception and long runtime on this one… finally got around to Kinds of Kindness —
Yorgos is back in dark and creepy form with this one. Not quite as creepy or twisted as Killing of a Sacred Deer and not as darkly funny as The Lobster but close. The lowered expectations helped, but I enjoyed it.

But it’s definitely not for everyone, very non linear and twisted.
Non linear and twisted....

Sounds great. I'll have to check it out.
 
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Finally saw this over the weekend, in 70mm, in my favorite old theater in town. It was an experience for sure.

Some mixed feelings, but clearly a high achievement and I liked it overall.
 
My daughters made me watch Wicked. Musicals are not my genre. But, I really enjoyed it. I wish we had paid the extra $10 to purchase it instead of just rented.

I'll probably buy it later for my daughter.
Totally agree. My family and I are huge fans of the Broadway musical - having seen it 5 times including the original Broadway production with the original cast in 2005. I was skeptical of the movie version but we all very much enjoyed it. In fact some aspects of the movie are better than the play ("Dancing Through LIfe"). The entire movie was the first Act of the play. It's my understanding that the 2nd movie will incorporate the Play's 2nd Act as well as a portion of the Wizard of Oz story.
 
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One of the best things I’ve seen all year, up with Sing Sing and Anora. Skillfully evokes and balances emotions of all kinds, including plenty of humor.

And a great one to watch today for Holocaust Remembrance Day.
 
My wife and I are watching the Oscar Best Picture nominees over the next few weeks. We saw "Dune: Part Two" on Friday night. It was too long and too confusing. Honestly, it was sort of a mess. I gave it a "C". It would have gotten a lower grade but for the good special effects, cinematography, and art direction.

"Emilia Perez" was last night. I gave it a "B". Zoe Saldana was superb. She was the focus of the film despite the title. She should have been nominated for Best Actress. She will have to content herself with winning Supporting Actress. To me, the musical aspect of the film didn't work. There were some nice songs but many were simply distracting to the plot. A straight-line narrative would have been better - one that explored more deeply both Emilia's desire to change and Rita's relationship with Emilia's kids. This film got 13 nominations and may win. I always root against a Netflix streaming flick vs. a theatrical movie. I have a feeling that another film I haven't seen yet will grab the big prize.
 
My wife and I are watching the Oscar Best Picture nominees over the next few weeks. We saw "Dune: Part Two" on Friday night. It was too long and too confusing. Honestly, it was sort of a mess. I gave it a "C". It would have gotten a lower grade but for the good special effects, cinematography, and art direction.

"Emilia Perez" was last night. I gave it a "B". Zoe Saldana was superb. She was the focus of the film despite the title. She should have been nominated for Best Actress. She will have to content herself with winning Supporting Actress. To me, the musical aspect of the film didn't work. There were some nice songs but many were simply distracting to the plot. A straight-line narrative would have been better - one that explored more deeply both Emilia's desire to change and Rita's relationship with Emilia's kids. This film got 13 nominations and may win. I always root against a Netflix streaming flick vs. a theatrical movie. I have a feeling that another film I haven't seen yet will grab the big prize.
Felt similarly about both.

Dune was fine. A nice popcorn movie dressed up as more than that. Star Wars lite in every way.

Emilia is not nearly as bad nor as good as people seem to be saying, IMO. It has its merits and it has its problems.
 
Felt similarly about both.

Dune was fine. A nice popcorn movie dressed up as more than that. Star Wars lite in every way.

Emilia is not nearly as bad nor as good as people seem to be saying, IMO. It has its merits and it has its problems.
At the risk of sounding like a nerd who gives two fucks about Lucas, Villeneuve, or Frank Herbert, I will say that Lucas ripped off Herbert's novel first.
 
At the risk of sounding like a nerd who gives two fucks about Lucas, Villeneuve, or Frank Herbert, I will say that Lucas ripped off Herbert's novel first.
That’s fine by me, I’ve never read a sci-fi novel and don’t ever plan to. Not my thing.

But in terms of cinema, A New Hope and Empire are so far superior to Dune 1 & 2 that it’s not even fair to compare them, IMO. When you factor in the era and the impact on movies, movie-making, movie-going, they’re light years ahead.
 
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After *loving* Poor Things and being discouraged by mixed reception and long runtime on this one… finally got around to Kinds of Kindness —
Yorgos is back in dark and creepy form with this one. Not quite as creepy or twisted as Killing of a Sacred Deer and not as darkly funny as The Lobster but close. The lowered expectations helped, but I enjoyed it.

But it’s definitely not for everyone, very non linear and twisted.
Poor things was amazing
 
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One of the best things I’ve seen all year, up with Sing Sing and Anora. Skillfully evokes and balances emotions of all kinds, including plenty of humor.

And a great one to watch today for Holocaust Remembrance Day.
Watched it this weekend. I thought it was great and really appreciated the simplicity of it.
 
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One of the best things I’ve seen all year, up with Sing Sing and Anora. Skillfully evokes and balances emotions of all kinds, including plenty of humor.

And a great one to watch today for Holocaust Remembrance Day.
Really liked it too.
 
That’s fine by me, I’ve never read a sci-fi novel and don’t ever plan to. Not my thing.

But in terms of cinema, A New Hope and Empire are so far superior to Dune 1 & 2 that it’s not even fair to compare them, IMO. When you factor in the era and the impact on movies, movie-making, movie-going, they’re light years ahead.
My thought is that a movie should stand on its own regardless of the source material. I don't give a damn whether the book, TV series, short film, comic book, previous version of the movie, etc. was good or not. The only question to me is: "Does the movie I'm currently watching move me in some meaningful way or is it simply a waste of time?"
 
That’s fine by me, I’ve never read a sci-fi novel and don’t ever plan to. Not my thing.

But in terms of cinema, A New Hope and Empire are so far superior to Dune 1 & 2 that it’s not even fair to compare them, IMO. When you factor in the era and the impact on movies, movie-making, movie-going, they’re light years ahead.
No argument from me. Star Wars quite clearly shaped our derivative, IP-driven media culture and exhibition patterns in more significant ways than Herbert's novel or any of its adaptations.

And for all the shit the franchise rightly receives, what Lucas often does not get credit for are the strange ways in which he forever considered himself an avant-garde artist (the sfx artists on the first film are a who's who of West Coast experimentalists). His USC student films are a case in point, as well as Filmmaker, his documentary on the making of Coppola's The Rain People.

Understood as such, Lucas's 'art' innovates a disposition towards business that comes to define Silicon Valley.
 
My thought is that a movie should stand on its own regardless of the source material. I don't give a damn whether the book, TV series, short film, comic book, previous version of the movie, etc. was good or not. The only question to me is: "Does the movie I'm currently watching move me in some meaningful way or is it simply a waste of time?"
What does "move [you]" mean? Does a movie have to produce an emotional reaction of some sort? If so, how broadly is "emotion" understood in this formulation?

I ask because I love John Wick films, Jackie Chan films, and Gene Kelly films for the same kinetic sort of reasons. But I would never really describe those films as moving (though I do get a bit weepy at singing in musicals in my dotage).
 
No argument from me. Star Wars quite clearly shaped our derivative, IP-driven media culture and exhibition patterns in more significant ways than Herbert's novel or any of its adaptations.

And for all the shit the franchise rightly receives, what Lucas often does not get credit for are the strange ways in which he forever considered himself an avant-garde artist (the sfx artists on the first film are a who's who of West Coast experimentalists). His USC student films are a case in point, as well as Filmmaker, his documentary on the making of Coppola's The Rain People.

Understood as such, Lucas's 'art' innovates a disposition towards business that comes to define Silicon Valley.
That’s an interesting call-out because I’ve had The Rain People on my list forever and was recently thinking about it after Megalopolis, but hadn’t heard of Filmmaker. I’ll see if I can track them down.
 
What does "move [you]" mean? Does a movie have to produce an emotional reaction of some sort? If so, how broadly is "emotion" understood in this formulation?

I ask because I love John Wick films, Jackie Chan films, and Gene Kelly films for the same kinetic sort of reasons. But I would never really describe those films as moving (though I do get a bit weepy at singing in musicals in my dotage).
Interesting questions and I'm not sure I have all the answers. I suppose Justice Potter Stewart's definition of porn will have to do for my admittedly subjective definition of art, "I know it when I see it."

Art is always personally subjective. One man's art is another's trash. Personally, I don't feel like I'm a terribly gifted artist. I was a decent high school, college, and summer stock actor. Perhaps, my definition of good art, at least for myself, is "could I do this easily myself"? If I could, it's not art. If I couldn't, perhaps it is.

But, the viewer's emotional engagement is clearly a part of art. I remember seeing a blue canvas in the Paris Modern Art Museum. I could easily have painted that, I thought. An artist snapped back, "But you didn't, did you?" No, I didn't but the canvas left me with nothing but the regret that I had lost precious time viewing it. A film friend of mine once described the feeling of watching an unsatisfying film as "brushing your teeth for three hours". For a film to be great, every scene should engage the viewer and "fit" into the puzzle. Wasted scenes annoy the hell out of me. Doesn't matter whether the film is 1 1/2 hours or 4 hours, there has to be a compelling reason for every scene. In essence, the scene is a little short movie unto itself.

Expectations are another issue/problem. I have to fight them sometimes. "Star Wars" seems to be a fave here. I hated the movie the first time I saw it. It had been out for months and I had endured people constantly chirping about it. I went in expecting "2001: A Space Odyssey" or at worst, a good episode of "Star Trek". Instead, I got a stupid, space western with admittedly interesting special effects. To me, "The Empire Strikes Back" was a FAR better movie. Was it because I had lower expectations for the second movie? Was it because the first movie was merely exposition for the second? Was it because my personality tends to gravitate towards the dark side of the force? I don't know. Perhaps, I just thought the second movie's parts fit better together and "moved" me more than the first. By the way, I absolutely hated the Ewoks movie. It was the worst of the three and pretty much ended my fascination with Star Wars.

I could go on and on. Mercifully, I won't. The bottom line is - art is subjective. If it doesn't connect with and engage in some meaningful (emotional?) way, I'm out.

P.S. - I think "Rocky 3" was the best Rocky movie. I liked "Crash" and hated "Brokeback Mountain". 1979's "The In-Laws" and "This is Spinal Tap" are two of my all-time favorite movies. I marveled at "Schmigadoon!" and consider it to be one of the best TV shows I've seen in years. I love "The Shawshank Redemption" but I'm "meh" about "Citizen Kane". Go figure!
 
My wife and I are watching the Oscar Best Picture nominees over the next few weeks. We saw "Dune: Part Two" on Friday night. It was too long and too confusing. Honestly, it was sort of a mess. I gave it a "C". It would have gotten a lower grade but for the good special effects, cinematography, and art direction.

"Emilia Perez" was last night. I gave it a "B". Zoe Saldana was superb. She was the focus of the film despite the title. She should have been nominated for Best Actress. She will have to content herself with winning Supporting Actress. To me, the musical aspect of the film didn't work. There were some nice songs but many were simply distracting to the plot. A straight-line narrative would have been better - one that explored more deeply both Emilia's desire to change and Rita's relationship with Emilia's kids. This film got 13 nominations and may win. I always root against a Netflix streaming flick vs. a theatrical movie. I have a feeling that another film I haven't seen yet will grab the big prize.
Add "Conclave" to the list. As of last night, three down and seven to go.

I liked it a lot and gave it an "A". The acting was stellar. From what I've seen so far, Ralph Fiennes should win the Oscar. The sets and costumes were spectacular and the "mystery" story moved at a nice pace. At no time in the two hours was I aware of my butt in the seat.

Did I derive some joy from knowing that MAGA Catholics' heads would explode at the end of this movie? Perhaps. But the twist ending, while somewhat contrived, worked all right for me.

No Best Director nomination may handicap this movie from winning the big prize. And what of Isabella Rossellini's Supporting Actress nod? Was that actually a "Lifetime Achievement" nomination? I certainly didn't see anything Oscar-worthy in her performance.
 
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