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You know what I HATE...ABSOLUTELY HATE.

Home teams wearing colored jerseys and Away teams wearing white.

Home ought to have on white with the name of their mascot on the jersey. Away ought to have on some combination of their team colors with their city on the jersey. This makes sense.
 
donbosco said:
You know what I HATE...ABSOLUTELY HATE.

Home teams wearing colored jerseys and Away teams wearing white.

Home ought to have on white with the name of their mascot on the jersey. Away ought to have on some combination of their team colors with their city on the jersey. This makes sense.
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Completely agree! And Oklahoma City was wearing black last night and their ft lanes are also black. It all just blends in and is not aesthetically pleasing to the eyes at all.
 
After an unbelievable start to the playoffs, round 2 has been ruined by injuries. The Cavs are in huge trouble, Warriors on the brink, and Celtics just lost Tatum to what looks like an Achilles.

All of them down 1-3 in their series.

Nuggs/Thunder the only series at 2-2.

Bummer.
 
uncgriff said:
Yeah thats an Achilles tear IMO
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You know, so many times when a message board poster diagnoses a sports injury, other posters respond with things like, “Oh, are you a doctor?” Or, “Where did you get your medical degree?”

But in this case, boom.
 
Veering off-topic of this year’s playoffs, something just dawned on me. Last season, Naz Reid won NBA 6MOY. In 2020, it was Montrezl Harrell. But are they the same person?:
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sringwal said:
I don't usually delve into conspiracy, but the Mavs getting the #1 pick after trading Luka? That shit was rigged.
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I don’t believe it was rigged, but I do think it shows the NBA lottery system isn’t working. The goal of a draft is to allow the bottom teams to acquire talent so they can improve. They established the lottery to avoid teams tanking. That hasn’t worked as more teams are tanking than ever. But there are too many teams in the lottery, and the worst team has never won the first pick. They need to limit the ability to win the first pick to the bottom 4 or 5 teams.

There are currently 14 teams in the lottery. They should eliminate the play-in losers from the lottery and their draft position should be determined by their finish like playoff teams. That leaves 12 lottery-eligible teams. Have 3 separate lotteries to determine the first four picks among the four worst teams, a separate drawing for teams 5-8, then 9-12. They can weight the teams chances within the different buckets if that is preferable, but it eliminates teams jumping from 12 or 14 to number 1. That will avoid teams barely missing the playoffs getting the top pick. And we should just forget the notion of stopping tanking because nothing they have tried has worked.
 
farce© said:
I don’t believe it was rigged, but I do think it shows the NBA lottery system isn’t working. The goal of a draft is to allow the bottom teams to acquire talent so they can improve. They established the lottery to avoid teams tanking. That hasn’t worked as more teams are tanking than ever. But there are too many teams in the lottery, and the worst team has never won the first pick. They need to limit the ability to win the first pick to the bottom 4 or 5 teams.

There are currently 14 teams in the lottery. They should eliminate the play-in losers from the lottery and their draft position should be determined by their finish like playoff teams. That leaves 12 lottery-eligible teams. Have 3 separate lotteries to determine the first four picks among the four worst teams, a separate drawing for teams 5-8, then 9-12. They can weight the teams chances within the different buckets if that is preferable, but it eliminates teams jumping from 12 or 14 to number 1. That will avoid teams barely missing the playoffs getting the top pick. And we should just forget the notion of stopping tanking because nothing they have tried has worked.
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this. well said. the mavs amongst several other teams should not have even been eligible for that top pick.

the mavs getting it in particular feels like a miscarriage of justice. they're a playoff team if not for injuries (or the luka trade). the adelsons are fucking crooks, the trade was an abomination that reeks to high heaven and they somehow get rewarded for their nonsense with the top pick? disgusting turn of events.

mavs fans getting a reprieve from the misery of the luka trade is nice but you still just really hate to see nico harrison and the adelsons get rewarded in this fashion.
 
farce© said:
I don’t believe it was rigged, but I do think it shows the NBA lottery system isn’t working. The goal of a draft is to allow the bottom teams to acquire talent so they can improve. They established the lottery to avoid teams tanking. That hasn’t worked as more teams are tanking than ever. But there are too many teams in the lottery, and the worst team has never won the first pick. They need to limit the ability to win the first pick to the bottom 4 or 5 teams.

There are currently 14 teams in the lottery. They should eliminate the play-in losers from the lottery and their draft position should be determined by their finish like playoff teams. That leaves 12 lottery-eligible teams. Have 3 separate lotteries to determine the first four picks among the four worst teams, a separate drawing for teams 5-8, then 9-12. They can weight the teams chances within the different buckets if that is preferable, but it eliminates teams jumping from 12 or 14 to number 1. That will avoid teams barely missing the playoffs getting the top pick. And we should just forget the notion of stopping tanking because nothing they have tried has worked.
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Agree with all of this, but it's really, really hard not to think the NBA rigs the lottery, not just this year but on the regular. The odds of the Mavs and the Spurs getting 1 and 2 were extraordinarily slim.
 
lawtig02 said:
Agree with all of this, but it's really, really hard not to think the NBA rigs the lottery, not just this year but on the regular. The odds of the Mavs and the Spurs getting 1 and 2 were extraordinarily slim.
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ernst and young handles the lottery process, would they do that? is their loyalty to the client or to doing the right thing?
 
farce© said:
But there are too many teams in the lottery, and the worst team has never won the first pick.
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That is only true since 2019, when lottery odds were flattened. It would be cosmically improbable for the worst team to have never won the first pick. As of now, it's merely unlucky.
 
There is not enough difference in the odds but I understand why. They want to encourage teams to go for the play-in. The fact the Hornets have never had the top pick is insane but it’s a mess of a franchise.
 
Icky Mettle said:
You know, so many times when a message board poster diagnoses a sports injury, other posters respond with things like, “Oh, are you a doctor?” Or, “Where did you get your medical degree?”

But in this case, boom.
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Also in this case, that was about as classic an Achilles tear circumstance as you see.
sringwal said:
I don't usually delve into conspiracy, but the Mavs getting the #1 pick after trading Luka? That shit was rigged.
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yeah. That’s up there with NO getting the Davis pick and Cleve getting LeBron.
 
farce© said:
I don’t believe it was rigged, but I do think it shows the NBA lottery system isn’t working. The goal of a draft is to allow the bottom teams to acquire talent so they can improve. They established the lottery to avoid teams tanking. That hasn’t worked as more teams are tanking than ever. But there are too many teams in the lottery, and the worst team has never won the first pick. They need to limit the ability to win the first pick to the bottom 4 or 5 teams.

There are currently 14 teams in the lottery. They should eliminate the play-in losers from the lottery and their draft position should be determined by their finish like playoff teams. That leaves 12 lottery-eligible teams. Have 3 separate lotteries to determine the first four picks among the four worst teams, a separate drawing for teams 5-8, then 9-12. They can weight the teams chances within the different buckets if that is preferable, but it eliminates teams jumping from 12 or 14 to number 1. That will avoid teams barely missing the playoffs getting the top pick. And we should just forget the notion of stopping tanking because nothing they have tried has worked.
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I agree with your sentiment here but I think it's more complicated than that because of tanking. Tanking is the predictable result of hard cutoffs for things like draft picks.

For instance, Philly this year won I think 3 games after the all-star break. That's because their draft pick was top 6 protected. They needed to finish worse than the Nets to have a good chance to keep it (they doubled their odds by finishing a game behind the Nets in the standings). But the Nets were also trying to lose. They were running out D-league teams, and not even good ones. The Warriors also lost like 12 straight games to close a season so they could keep the first round pick that became Harrison Barnes.

I disagree that nothing has worked re: tanking. The Mavs are actually a good example. Yes, they traded Luka, but they didn't tank. The whole team got hurt, but that's a different story as (from what I understand) the injuries were all legit. Irving isn't faking a torn ACL. They wouldn't have gained enough by tanking. Plenty of other teams that might have tanked in the past -- e.g. Indiana -- haven't because the rewards for tanking are so inconsistent.

There will always be tanking teams, simply because tanking is actually a hopeful strategy. If your team is going to lose 60 games, at least let it mean something. Otherwise you're telling your fans to come watch the team get destroyed and there isn't necessarily a lot of hope for the future. But there's a difference between two teams tanking and 10.

Obviously more has to be done re: tanking. The draft lottery doesn't solve the problem entirely. An easy step would be to eliminate pick restrictions or radically streamline them. You should be able to protect a first round pick at top 3 or at lottery and nothing else.

As for the lottery I'd like to see a rule that no team can be in the top 3 more than once every three years, unless they have one of the two worst records in the league AND they can point to some sort of extenuating circumstance justifying a redo. For instance, if the whole draft is bad, you shouldn't hold that against the team that happens to win the lottery that year. Or if they have some sort of injury problem that won't easily get better, like Brandon Roy and maybe Embiid.
 
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