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*There is a Politics 2025-2026 thread... and a Trump 2028 thread already going. But not a thread that I can find exclusively about 2028. (Not EVEN thinking about Trump 2028... unless Lara or one of the boys wanna take a stab.)

There are already a few threads which dance around the 2028 prez election naming Dems like: Newsom, Shapiro, BeShear, Whitmer, Mayor Pete etc. (Maybe even Coop or Jeff Jack???)

Who ya got on the Pub side? Rubio? JD?

Who ya got on your Dem ticket? Why not Tim Walz? (Too tarnished from 2024 loss?) I must say I do like Andy...

*Mods: if this thread is redundant, kill it or merge it. Thanks.

ETA, yes, I know, we've still got 3 fucking years to think about it, but...
 
Whoever runs as a Democrat 2028 needs to drop identity politics and start getting in touch with the poor and working class. Or we're going to keep losing.

Great article ...
🎁 -> ‘The Interview’: Robert Reich Thinks the Baby Boomers Blew It

"We see more and more big money undermining our democratic institutions."
"Some Democrats don’t want to tell the true story of concentrated wealth and power because they are drinking at the same trough as Republicans."


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Whoever runs as a Democrat 2028 needs to drop identity politics and start getting in touch with the poor and working class. Or we're going to keep losing.

Great article ...
🎁 -> ‘The Interview’: Robert Reich Thinks the Baby Boomers Blew It

"We see more and more big money undermining our democratic institutions."
"Some Democrats don’t want to tell the true story of concentrated wealth and power because they are drinking at the same trough as Republicans."


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Agree 100%. I like Andy, and also like the idea of dropping the identity politics. One can still support women, minorities and LGBTQ without making those the sole issues on whose hill you shall die on. DEI? Sure, but at this point, it doesn't need much more than a mention nor making any campaign promises. Abortion? Sure, lamentations can be made on the demise of Roe, but making it the keystone of the platform? Nah. Another hill the Dems need to avoid dying on.

Dems need to tap back in on the Build Back Better message, infrastructure, jobs which make sense in this world today.

Also - why not tap into a couple Libertarian planks like: No more foreign wars; Smaller Government *Yes* but doing it with some common sense and not with a chainsaw; Expression and Communication: Support full freedom of expression and oppose government censorship, regulation, or control of communications media; Self-Ownership: Individuals own their bodies and have rights over them that other individuals, groups, and governments may not violate; Personal relationships: Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals... etc.

All of those things are in the Libertarian Platform - those are some of the MAIN PLANKS.

The PUBs have abandoned ALL of those. Other than smaller Government and tax breaks, the PUBS have not been so friendly to the Libertarians. The Dems should pick up that slack and vacuum up those issues and run on that stuff.

Enough of this "Defund the Police" and "Just because Bruce Jenner won the Decathlon as a man, doesn't mean he can't enter a footrace against women after a genital reorg." Enough of that crap. It's already been determined that issue affects 0.0001% of the population, so why die on that hill?
 
You guys are repeating Republican talking points as if they are true.
Well I don't agree with Reich on everything in that piece... but there are reasons we got Trump for 2 friggin terms. It's either the because Dems fucked up by running 2 women, or because of "Other stuff". I'd like to think it's because of "other stuff".

But as to the OP: I still like Andy...
 
Road to 2028: Beshear makes splash in Vogue as speculations rise over White House run

Road to 2028: Beshear makes splash in Vogue as speculations rise over White House run
BY AMANCAI BIRABEN
ABIRABEN@HERALD-LEADER.COM
2 days ago
Editor’s Note: Gov. Andy Beshear is increasingly in the spotlight as a potential 2028 Democratic presidential candidate. The Herald-Leader believes Kentuckians should know what he’s saying and doing, where he is traveling and what’s being said nationally about the two-term governor. Our reporters will publish a regular round-up of the latest news and headlines about Beshear.

This is the first installment.

Fresh off a visit to the early primary state of South Carolina, Gov. Andy Beshear is continuing to generate buzz back home in Kentucky and beyond.

Most recently, he was featured in a Vogue magazine profile, received praise from a writer in Slate Magazine as a “Democratic star” and touted his state and national credentials at a July 22 Kentucky Chamber of Commerce luncheon.

Though a presidential run is still just speculation, Beshear’s rise to national relevance is stirring anticipation as he continues to make the rounds to audiences near and far.

Vogue: ‘Hyper-organized, well-rehearsed’
Beshear was featured in Vogue magazine on July 21, with photos capturing his children playing baseball and the first lady petting their dog, Winnie, inside the Governor’s Mansion in Frankfort.

Calling the governor’s style of leadership “hyper-organized, well-rehearsed, on message, and largely drama-free,” the writer praised Beshear’s wide reach among the Democratic Party and his centrist appeal.

It also pointed out that his genteel, milder affect may not hold up to national scrutiny, with former Ohio Gov. John Kasich noting “he needs to demonstrate some strength.”

At a Chamber of Commerce event in Lexington the day after publication, Beshear was met with laughs when he said he never anticipated appearing in a fashion magazine.

“I think I still had the very first suit I ever had when I met my wife,” he said. “And she probably burned it.”

Adding to his surprise that the high-fashion publication took an interest in his modest attire, Beshear poked fun at his own everyday wear amid the glamorous spread.

“I might be the first person in Vogue to wear Gap jeans,” he tweeted.

Slate: ‘Anti-death penalty hero’

Slate Magazine also took the opportunity to shed light on the Kentucky governor late last week, referring to him as an “anti-death penalty hero.”

The label referenced a recent debate between Republican Attorney General Russell Coleman, an advocate for capital punishment in the state, and Beshear, himself a former AG not unilaterally opposed to the death penalty, over the life of death row inmate Ralph Baze.

While Coleman called for the execution of Baze, who was convicted of killing two police officers in 1992, Beshear pointed out the state “does not currently have, nor can it obtain, the drugs necessary to carry out lethal injection executions.”

The most recent use of capital punishment in Kentucky took place in 2008.

In 2010, Franklin Circuit Court Judge Phillip Shepherd halted the death penalty when he issued an injunction over a range of concerns about executions, including the executing intellectually disabled people. Since taking office, Coleman has worked to get the punishment reinstated.

“The fate of capital punishment may be determined in places like Kentucky, places I call death penalty ‘swing states,’” writes Austin Sarat, a political scientist at Amherst, in Slate.

Kentucky Chamber of Commerce
Beshear spoke to a room full of powerful Kentuckians Tuesday at the Kentucky Chamber of Commerce luncheon about his goals for the Bluegrass State and his concerns for the nation.

He greeted friends and colleagues as he reflected on his state’s economic momentum amid national policy turmoil.

“What I really hope is that we’ve created the jobs where any Kentucky kid can dream as big as they want and chase that job right here in Kentucky,” Beshear said.

He reiterated his commitment to fighting for free child care in order to draw a newer and larger workforce to the state, and being able to modernize Kentucky’s economy while staying true to the state’s values.

Beshear also criticized President Donald Trump’s unpredictable tariff policies and the possible defunding of FEMA, asserting its importance in light of the deadly Texas floods earlier this month.
 
You guys are repeating Republican talking points as if they are true.
You mean, the Dem focus on identity politics? I agree with Centerpiece that "One can still support women, minorities and LGBTQ without making those the sole issues on whose hill you shall die on"

We can still support all the aforementioned causes, but we can also do it without abandoning the fight against wealth and power inequality. The message of Reich is a more inclusive message and should bring in current MAGA folks brainwashed into believing immigrants and trans people are making their lives miserable. It's the massively wealthy (and therefore powerful) they need to be worried about.

Question now is, which Democratic candidate can deliver this message? Andy seems good to me too, Pete as well. Maybe Gretchen, but some work to do there.
 
Beshear was Kentucky's Attorney General and won his first race for governor against a very, very unpopular Republican incumbent. Beshear won by 0.37 percentage points, receiving 49.20% of the vote to Bevin's 48.83%, a 5,146 vote margin out of more than 1.4 million votes. Beshear won his first statewide race, for Attorney General, by 2,194 votes, 0.2%.

His father was a popular 2-term governor of Kentucky. Beshear graduated from Vanderbilt University and the University of Virginia School of Law.

Beshear’s handling of COVID was controversial, but his handling of natural disasters in 2021 ( tornadoes in western Kentucky) and 2022 ( flooding in eastern Kentucky) earned him respect in rural parts of the state, and he was able to win reelection against sitting AG and Mitch McConnell protege, African-American Daniel Cameron. McConnell's popularity in the state had waned and Cameron's skin color didn't help.

Beshear has managed to win 3 times (barely) in an increasingly conservative state by being plain spoken and addressing real world issues. Just as most Kentucky high school basketball heroes' skills fail to enable the transition to the next level (Reed Sheppard being a recent notable exception), I fear Beshear’s record and political skill won't be enough at the next level. He also has practically zero foreign policy and military background.
 
Well I don't agree with Reich on everything in that piece... but there are reasons we got Trump for 2 friggin terms. It's either the because Dems fucked up by running 2 women, or because of "Other stuff". I'd like to think it's because of "other stuff".

But as to the OP: I still like Andy...
It's usually not one single issue, but a combination of things. Both of trump's victories were against women and their personal characteristics along with Republican focus on culture-war issues.

If Democrats can make the race about facts and kitchen table issues, they can win. If Republicans succeed in derailing the campaign to be about emotional, culture-war issues, no Democrat can win.
 
Beshear was Kentucky's Attorney General and won his first race for governor against a very, very unpopular Republican incumbent. Beshear won by 0.37 percentage points, receiving 49.20% of the vote to Bevin's 48.83%, a 5,146 vote margin out of more than 1.4 million votes. Beshear won his first statewide race, for Attorney General, by 2,194 votes, 0.2%.

His father was a popular 2-term governor of Kentucky. Beshear graduated from Vanderbilt University and the University of Virginia School of Law.

Beshear’s handling of COVID was controversial, but his handling of natural disasters in 2021 ( tornadoes in western Kentucky) and 2022 ( flooding in eastern Kentucky) earned him respect in rural parts of the state, and he was able to win reelection against sitting AG and Mitch McConnell protege, African-American Daniel Cameron. McConnell's popularity in the state had waned and Cameron's skin color didn't help.

Beshear has managed to win 3 times (barely) in an increasingly conservative state by being plain spoken and addressing real world issues. Just as most Kentucky high school basketball heroes' skills fail to enable the transition to the next level (Reed Sheppard being a recent notable exception), I fear Beshear’s record and political skill won't be enough at the next level. He also has practically zero foreign policy and military background.
Thanks for making my case for Andy. He can be another Reed Sheppard. Foreign policy notwithstanding. And GTF outta here with military background. Trump and Cal Cuminhand say: "what"?

His wins in deep red Kentucky speak volumes.

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Thanks for making my case for Andy. He can be another Reed Sheppard. Foreign policy notwithstanding. And GTF outta here with military background. Trump and Cal Cuminhand say: "what"?

His wins in deep red Kentucky speak volumes.

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What were Bill Clinton's Foreign Policy chops No one cared
 
Some of that DEI stuff is just dumb anyway. Seems like every 6 months I have to take a test that goes, "Diego, LaMarcus, and Brad walk into a job interview..."
 
What were Bill Clinton's Foreign Policy chops No one cared
I wouldn't say "no one cared", and Clinton had the benefit of a 3rd party candidate that definitely made a difference in 1992 and probably in 1996. He didn't win 50% in either election.
 
Beshear was Kentucky's Attorney General and won his first race for governor against a very, very unpopular Republican incumbent. Beshear won by 0.37 percentage points, receiving 49.20% of the vote to Bevin's 48.83%, a 5,146 vote margin out of more than 1.4 million votes. Beshear won his first statewide race, for Attorney General, by 2,194 votes, 0.2%.

His father was a popular 2-term governor of Kentucky. Beshear graduated from Vanderbilt University and the University of Virginia School of Law.

Beshear’s handling of COVID was controversial, but his handling of natural disasters in 2021 ( tornadoes in western Kentucky) and 2022 ( flooding in eastern Kentucky) earned him respect in rural parts of the state, and he was able to win reelection against sitting AG and Mitch McConnell protege, African-American Daniel Cameron. McConnell's popularity in the state had waned and Cameron's skin color didn't help.

Beshear has managed to win 3 times (barely) in an increasingly conservative state by being plain spoken and addressing real world issues. Just as most Kentucky high school basketball heroes' skills fail to enable the transition to the next level (Reed Sheppard being a recent notable exception), I fear Beshear’s record and political skill won't be enough at the next level. He also has practically zero foreign policy and military background.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but Jimmy Carter won the nomination and election in 1976 despite being a virtual unknown nationally when he started his campaign. Carter's entire political experience when he ran for POTUS was four years as an obscure state senator in Georgia, a failed run for governor in 1966, and a successful run for governor in 1970, where he served a single obscure term. Virtually no one nationally had heard of him when he announced his candidacy for the 1976 Democratic nomination. He won in large part because he turned out to be the perfect candidate for his time - in the aftermath of Watergate he had no connection to Washington nor was he seen as a party insider, and he ran as an outsider who was untainted by DC scandals, said he would never lie to the American people (as LBJ and Nixon had), and would be a fresh face on the national scene. He ran as much on his personal character and integrity as he did on the issues, which would also seem to be a strength of Beshear. He also had no foreign-policy experience at all, although he had served in the military in the Navy and had graduated from the Naval Academy.

Admittedly, Carter's single unhappy term as POTUS may only add to your point, but I do think that the liabilities you mentioned for Beshear may not hurt him at all, and his status as a DC outsider may well help him in 2028, especially after what will no doubt be four exhausting and chaotic years of Dear Leader's authoritarian rule.
 
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