Trump has the power to change what Republicans like and don't like. Republicans used to dislike Russia, too. Remember? If Trump tells Republicans they should like Tate, they will learn to like Tate.
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Sadly, Tate is popular with teenage boys and in the Manosphere, which has overlap with many Musketeers and certain MAGA and MAHA types. Trump has several Tate fans in his family and among his advisors, and has been convinced by Musk (perhaps correctly) and Vance that he owes his re-election to the Manosphere support, particularly among blue collar workers.
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But a lot of people are struggling to make sense of this. David Frum has a damning suggestion:
“… The pro-Tate advocacy resurfaced at the Munich Security Conference at the end of January, when Richard Grenell, a Trump envoy there, spoke with the Romanian foreign minister. Grenell said he’d taken an interest in the Tate brothers’ situation; the Romanians got the message. Today, the Tate brothers are at liberty in Florida.
One of Grenell’s other jobs is now to lead the Kennedy Center. A few days after his return from Munich, he told the audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference that his goal was to bring more Christian programming to the Kennedy Center. Christ and human trafficking: In Trump’s America, we can have both.
… a presumption of the Tates’ innocence doesn’t explain why MAGA world loves them so much. This is the week, after all, that MAGA world is rejoicing in the release of Jeffrey Epstein’s contact lists, material that has largely been in the public domain for a decade. How does the human mind hold the simultaneous beliefs that Epstein was bad and the Tate brothers are good?
For that, one must understand that the MAGA movement is about sexual grievance, even more than racial resentment. It is an expression of male disgruntlement that depends on the votes of men—not just any men, but those who feel disrespected and undervalued.
Andrew Tate offers unhappy men an exciting fantasy: They don’t need education or challenging work; they don’t need families or children; instead, they can fulfill themselves by dominating and brutalizing women. In this scenario, women will do the chores and provide sexual favors to order, while men can be little sultans ruling their harems as they harden their hearts against empathy and love.
MAGA, too, has a fantasy to offer the men who feel superfluous.
Its one big economic idea is to impose tariffs to keep out foreign manufactured goods. If the goal is to make America more prosperous and secure, it’s not a good idea. In fact, it’s overwhelmingly counterproductive. …”
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“… But if you don’t care very much about the economy, then your real goal may go something like this. Our voters are less educated men in less successful places. Men who are having trouble finding a place in the modern world of specialized skills in the information economy and the service sector. Men who don’t want to load all of their belongings into a van and drive to a new life in a different place with unfamiliar ways. These men are having trouble finding partners and wives. They feel isolated and angry.
… What we want to do instead, they say, is make our voters feel as though they’re bigger by making women feel smaller. Police their bodies. Tell them they can’t order medications across state lines or cross state lines for an abortion.
… If we can’t make the men better, the MAGA agenda goes, we will force women to accept them by reducing women’s options and making their lives worse.
And who does a better job than Andrew Tate of teaching young men that they can feel better by making women feel less?
No wonder MAGA admires him. He’s not just useful to them. They identify with him. He is their movement on steroids. No laws for him. The accused sex abuser, the accused human trafficker, is welcome in MAGA land.”
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As an aside, Frum has had a metamorphosis since his daughter died unexpectedly … I think he tries to channel her perspective in place of his own (or he has adopted a different perspective as a result of the crushing grief he has written a lot about).
superrific
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There are at least four obvious, fundamental problems with such an EO. Can you name them? Go.
That you "give him credit" for this nonsense boggles the mind.
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The answer to this question is extortion by the Trump administration.
"The Tates’ arrival in the US comes after Romania’s Foreign Minister Emil Hurezeanu said that the brothers were mentioned during his brief hallway meeting with US President Donald Trump’s special envoy Richard Grenell at the Munich Security Conference earlier this month."
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To a point Trump can influence what some Republicans support. Mostly the far-right/MAGA types, but not the center-right, non-maga types. Like with abortion, they more rationalize it away than agree. Rationalize because "Trump + abortion is still better than any Dem" kind of stuff.
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It was a joke in that people across the political spectrum have issues with overbearing HOAs. This is not a serious proposal.
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Didn't seem like a joke. It was basically indistinguishable from your other posts. Maybe that should tell you something?
Meanwhile, you didn't answer my question.
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HOAs are private entities
Established through private contracts between willing parties
Recorded on county property records
HOAs exercise no governmental power or authority over property owners
They can only levy contractually mandated fines and penalties.
No violation of any federal law - no federal question
Infringement upon states' property rights.
Chief Executive with an EO cannot declare null and void private property rights of citizens.
Established through private contracts between willing parties
Recorded on county property records
HOAs exercise no governmental power or authority over property owners
They can only levy contractually mandated fines and penalties.
No violation of any federal law - no federal question
Infringement upon states' property rights.
Chief Executive with an EO cannot declare null and void private property rights of citizens.
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At this point, there's not really any reason to think that there's any subject over which Trump doesn't believe he has the right to exercise plenary power through executive order.
All of your posts on here are a joke. No need to clarify the obvious for us.
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It's not baffling at all. It's 100% expected and on brand.
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Your first three are not correct. The federal government can regulate private entities. The federal government can also regulate the terms of private contracts (indeed, it does so all the time). I can't see why the recording on county property records would make a difference.
Two more mistakes: Federal question is important for getting into federal court, but it's not a principle that's applicable to the legislature or executive branches, which determine what is and isn't a federal question. And while this is a minor point, it is at least sometimes incorrect that HOAs can only levy contractually mandated fines. Often an HOA has to sign off on the sale of a property.
What you got right: EOs have no legal effect. I'll also generously give half credit for "actions of a private entity cannot be unconstitutional (unless it is working in conjunction with government," as you did mention "no government power."
What you missed: it's highly doubtful that the proposed action would be within the power of the federal government. It's certainly not pursuant to any enumerated power, and commerce clause is a big stretch considering that a) HOAs are entirely local; and b) there's no national housing market to regulate. That's not the same thing with infringing states' property rights, which do not exist in this context.
The fourth problem is the complete lack of statutory authority for the executive branch to even address the topic of HOAs.
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Do you really believe this nonsense?
Even if you do, their willingness to rationalize away the issue is functionally not different than agreeing. I've never seen a group of people less willing to be accountable for their own actions and inaction than modern Republican voters.
And here's how the right is defending it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is entirely Zelensky’s fault. Trump greeted him graciously, was ready to turn the page. Just said he wanted to get help Ukraine get it’s territory back. And Z comes in and gets into a fight in public? I’ve never seen anything like it in my life. <a href="https://t.co/633sPiJQPn">https://t.co/633sPiJQPn</a></p>— Marc Thiessen
(@marcthiessen) <a href="">February 28, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is entirely Zelensky’s fault. Trump greeted him graciously, was ready to turn the page. Just said he wanted to get help Ukraine get it’s territory back. And Z comes in and gets into a fight in public? I’ve never seen anything like it in my life. <a href="https://t.co/633sPiJQPn">https://t.co/633sPiJQPn</a></p>— Marc Thiessen
(@marcthiessen) <a href="">February 28, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>BlooVooDoo
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Young Republicans Group Invites Accused Sex Trafficker Brothers to Speak: ‘As Free Speech Absolutists…’
Young Republicans Group Invites Accused Sex Trafficker Brothers to Speak: ‘As Free Speech Absolutists…’
The Tampa Bay Young Republicans tweeted an invitation to Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan to come speak to their group, drawing swift criticism for the outreach to the men currently facing charges for human trafficking and related offenses in multiple countries.www.mediaite.com
“… The Tates are facing a growing list of legal problems, including criminal indictments in Romania and the UK and lawsuits filed by British women accusing Andrew Tate of rape and severe abuse. The brothers have amassed gigantic online followings; just on X alone they have 14 million followers between them. They are widely credited in MAGA world for helping convince young men to vote for President Donald Trump, but have also been loudly criticized by prominent conservative voices for their misogynistic content, bragging about abusing and demeaning women, including some who were underage. …”
Bet they don’t invite their girlfriends to the event.
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Their girlfriends who live in Canada?