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DiehardHeelFan said:
Yep. I have been getting all of my vaccines at CVS and insurance has covered everyone. Could I get it at my doctor’s office? More than likely. But while it is cheaper it is much less convenient. And some people don’t have a PCP so that makes it more difficult because you’re probably not an established patient anywhere. Novel idea. Maybe they should just stop f’ing with vaccines.
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1. Just make sure your PCP knows and is updating your records- they could be getting dinged for you not being “up to date” even though you are and
2. If you have Medicare, much preferable to get in the pharmacy- they will cover the shots at the pharmacy but not all of them at the doctors office
 
uncjhodges said:
1. Just make sure your PCP knows and is updating your records- they could be getting dinged for you not being “up to date” even though you are and
2. If you have Medicare, much preferable to get in the pharmacy- they will cover the shots at the pharmacy but not all of them at the doctors office
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Yep, my PCP knows as I make him aware. Believe what I get done at CVS is able to be seen by my PCP as well. Not yet on Medicare but good to know.
 

Vaccine Opponent Hired by RFK Jr. Scours Official Records for Link to Autism​

David Geier has sought access to federal database from which he was previously kicked out​


🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/health/healthca...4?st=h6WQLC&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… Geier’s work provides a window into how Kennedy is molding the Department of Health and Human Services to fit his skepticism of vaccines. Under Kennedy’s leadership, federal health agencies have nixed Covid-19 vaccine recommendations for pregnant women, required additional scientific testing of new vaccines and questioned the safety of vaccines in the Trump administration’s Make America Healthy Again report. Kennedy argues the actions are based on science and common sense, but his moves have alarmed many public health advocates and academics.

Geier is seeking access to a database known as the Vaccine Safety Datalink, or VSD, which Kennedy referenced in his 2005 Rolling Stone article. But before joining HHS, Geier was barred at least twice from using the database because officials said he had misused it. …”
 
Not great:


Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Monday said he is “retiring” all 17 members of a crucial government panel of vaccine advisors, a shocking step that could help to sow doubts about immunizations in the U.S.

“A clean sweep is needed to re-establish public confidence in vaccine science,” Kennedy said in an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal on Monday.




Kennedy is removing all members of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP, which advises the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The group reviews vaccine data and makes recommendations that determine who is eligible for shots and whether insurers should cover them, among other efforts.

ACIP members are independent medical and public experts who make recommendations based on rigorous scientific review and evidence. The CDC director has to sign off on those recommendations for them to become official policy.

It is unclear who Kennedy will appoint to the new group. In a release, HHS said ACIP will still hold a planned meeting from June 25 to 27 to make recommendations. A person familiar with the matter told CNBC that new members will run that meeting.
 
nrsair said:
Not great:


Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Monday said he is “retiring” all 17 members of a crucial government panel of vaccine advisors, a shocking step that could help to sow doubts about immunizations in the U.S.

“A clean sweep is needed to re-establish public confidence in vaccine science,” Kennedy said in an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal on Monday.




Kennedy is removing all members of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP, which advises the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The group reviews vaccine data and makes recommendations that determine who is eligible for shots and whether insurers should cover them, among other efforts.

ACIP members are independent medical and public experts who make recommendations based on rigorous scientific review and evidence. The CDC director has to sign off on those recommendations for them to become official policy.

It is unclear who Kennedy will appoint to the new group. In a release, HHS said ACIP will still hold a planned meeting from June 25 to 27 to make recommendations. A person familiar with the matter told CNBC that new members will run that meeting.
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Episode 11 Doctor GIF by The Simpsons

RFK’s editorial:

🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/opinion/rfk-jr-...2?st=fCoJNu&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
 
nycfan said:
Episode 11 Doctor GIF by The Simpsons

RFK’s editorial:

🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/opinion/rfk-jr-...2?st=fCoJNu&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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“… The U.S. faces a crisis of public trust. Whether toward health agencies, pharmaceutical companies or vaccines themselves, public confidence is waning.

Some would try to explain this away by blaming misinformation or antiscience attitudes. To do so, however, ignores a history of conflicts of interest, persecution of dissidents, a lack of curiosity, and skewed science that has plagued the vaccine regulatory apparatus for decades.

… The problem isn’t necessarily that ACIP members are corrupt. Most likely aim to serve the public interest as they understand it. The problem is their immersion in a system of industry-aligned incentives and paradigms that enforce a narrow pro-industry orthodoxy. The new members won’t directly work for the vaccine industry. They will exercise independent judgment, refuse to serve as a rubber stamp, and foster a culture of critical inquiry—unafraid to ask hard questions.…”
 
A guy with no scientific credentials, a former heroin addict, who proudly acknowledges brain damage from a cerebral parasite, and has the backing of absolutely no one of any import in the medical field is in charge of dismantling the most important public health success story in history outside of indoor plumbing and water sanitation. Napoleon Bonaparte had a medal struck to commemorate the success of the small pox vaccine, George washington mandated small pox vaccination for the Continental army, polio has all but been eradicated and measles was as well until this anti vaccination lunacy took hold in this country.

It is so very disheartening


Edited to add a pic of Napoleon's medal which is part of my collection. Shows the Greek god of medicine Esclepius with his staff and single serpent and the maiden representing France getting the gift of the vaccine. Note the cow in the back which is where the small pox vaccine was derived (cowpox).

Fun fact, the caduceus staff with 2 serpents is Mercury's symbol and not medicine. The army appropriated it during world war 1 and it stuck ever sense, but the correct symbol is the single serpent on the staff.
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uncgriff said:
A guy with no scientific credentials, a former heroin addict, who proudly acknowledges brain damage from a cerebral parasite, and has the backing of absolutely no one of any import in the medical field is in charge of dismantling the most important public health success story in history outside of indoor plumbing and water sanitation. Napoleon Bonaparte had a medal struck to commemorate the success of the small pox vaccine, George washington mandated small pox vaccination for the Continental army, polio has all but been eradicated and measles was as well until this anti vaccination lunacy took hold in this country.

It is so very disheartening
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People are literally going to die needlessly because of this. As I posted just recently, if you have scientific credentials or you're viewed as a expert in your field or you have credentials and experience then you're almost automatically viewed in this administration as suspect and not worthy of being hired. RFK, Jr. may be in one of the most sensitive positions due to his influence on our healthcare system, but this administration is shot through with people like him, who just thirty or forty years ago would have been considered fringe conspiracy quacks far, far out of the mainstream in nearly every way and mostly ignored (with good reason) except in places like the National Enquirer and fringe magazines or newsletters. We're living through the Revenge of the Fringe, and it's already gotten ugly and it's going to get much, much worse before it's over.
 
Wanted1000007033.jpg to add a pic of Napoleon's medal which is part of my collection. Shows the Greek god of medicine Esclepius with his staff and single serpent and the maiden representing France getting the gift of the vaccine. Note the cow in the back which is where the small pox vaccine was derived (cowpox).

Fun fact, the caduceus staff with 2 serpents is Mercury's symbol and has nothing to do with medicine. The army medical Corp appropriated it during world war 1 because they liked it better and it stuck ever since, but the correct symbol is the single serpent on the staff
 
Mulberry Heel said:
People are literally going to die needlessly because of this. As I posted just recently, if you have scientific credentials or you're viewed as a expert in your field or you have credentials and experience then you're almost automatically viewed in this administration as suspect and not worthy of being hired. RFK, Jr. may be in one of the most sensitive positions due to his influence on our healthcare system, but this administration is shot through with people like him, who just thirty or forty years ago would have been considered fringe conspiracy quacks far, far out of the mainstream in nearly every way and mostly ignored (with good reason) except in places like the National Enquirer and fringe magazines or newsletters. We're living through the Revenge of the Fringe, and it's already gotten ugly and it's going to get much, much worse before it's over.
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All true. But eventually the tide will turn. Unfortunately, that turn of the tide will occur after I'm dead. It's like I'm at the beach; I buried in sand up to my neck well below the high tide mark. I'm facing the ocean. I can see the tide coming in. And I'm just not strong enough to dig myself out of the hole that I am in before the incoming tide covers me.
 

New ACIP members announced. Some kooks, some qualified and some just kind of puzzling.

  • Dr. Robert Malone – a physician and vaccine critic who conducted early research on mRNA vaccine technology.
  • Dr. Joseph Hibbeln – a psychiatrist and neuroscientist who was formerly the acting chief of the section of nutritional neurosciences in the Laboratory of Membrane Biophysics & Biochemistry at the National Institutes of Health.
  • Dr. Martin Kulldorff – a biostatistician and epidemiologist, who was dismissed at Harvard Medical School last year after blasting the university for how it handled the Covid-19 pandemic. He has served on the Food and Drug Administration’s Drug Safety and Risk Management Advisory Committee and the CDC’s vaccine safety subgroup of ACIP.
  • Retsef Levi – a professor of operations management at the MIT Sloan School of Management who has also served as faculty director of the school’s food supply chain analytics and sensing initiative.
  • Dr. Cody Meissner – a professor of pediatrics at the Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth. He has held advisory roles with both the CDC and FDA, and has been a voting member of ACIP and the FDA’s vaccine advisory committee.
  • Dr. James Pagano – a board-certified emergency medicine physician who has served on multiple hospital committees.
  • Dr. Michael Ross – a clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at George Washington University and Virginia Commonwealth University. He has served on the CDC’s Advisory Committee for the Prevention of Breast and Cervical Cancer.
  • Vicky Pebsworth – a nurse with a PhD in public health, who has previously served on FDA vaccine advisory committees.
 
nrsair said:

New ACIP members announced. Some kooks, some qualified and some just kind of puzzling.

  • Dr. Robert Malone – a physician and vaccine critic who conducted early research on mRNA vaccine technology.
  • Dr. Joseph Hibbeln – a psychiatrist and neuroscientist who was formerly the acting chief of the section of nutritional neurosciences in the Laboratory of Membrane Biophysics & Biochemistry at the National Institutes of Health.
  • Dr. Martin Kulldorff – a biostatistician and epidemiologist, who was dismissed at Harvard Medical School last year after blasting the university for how it handled the Covid-19 pandemic. He has served on the Food and Drug Administration’s Drug Safety and Risk Management Advisory Committee and the CDC’s vaccine safety subgroup of ACIP.
  • Retsef Levi – a professor of operations management at the MIT Sloan School of Management who has also served as faculty director of the school’s food supply chain analytics and sensing initiative.
  • Dr. Cody Meissner – a professor of pediatrics at the Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth. He has held advisory roles with both the CDC and FDA, and has been a voting member of ACIP and the FDA’s vaccine advisory committee.
  • Dr. James Pagano – a board-certified emergency medicine physician who has served on multiple hospital committees.
  • Dr. Michael Ross – a clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at George Washington University and Virginia Commonwealth University. He has served on the CDC’s Advisory Committee for the Prevention of Breast and Cervical Cancer.
  • Vicky Pebsworth – a nurse with a PhD in public health, who has previously served on FDA vaccine advisory committees.
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So not 100% cranks? That's good
 
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