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RFK Jr, HHs & Public Health News | Measles outbreak, etc.
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Just had lunch with a current CDC employee here in ATL. Things are bleak- very bleak and moral is rock bottom. They all get regular govt emails encouraging them to look for jobs in the private sector, telling them they are poor low performing employees. Section heads are reassigned to the Indian Heath Service or told to quit. Surveillance labs monitoring nHepatitis, STDs, etc are completely shut down and mouse animal colonies are unattended (no staff). Every week they all STILL have to send in emails of 5 things they accomplished. These get no confirmation that they have been received or read. They are not allowed to put specifics (eg drugs or disease) because all are warned that anything they put in emails are being read by hostile foreign actors. Much more, but It’s a total shitshow. These are all highly trained and competent professionals. It’s truly sickening.
BoonetheAiredale
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But you didn't make a case. You just said shit and then parsed it so razor thin as to be cutting air molecules. In other words. like most of your efforts, you wasted yours and everybody's precious time. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AFRPvhDr8/
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Kennedy Orders Search for New Measles Treatments Instead of Urging Vaccination
Decades of research have turned up no miracle treatment for measles, but studies show the M.M.R. shot is 97 percent effective in preventing the disease.
RFK Jr. Orders Search for New Measles Treatments Instead of Urging Vaccination
Decades of research have turned up no miracle treatment for measles, but studies show the M.M.R. shot is 97 percent effective in preventing the disease.
“With the United States facing its largest single measles outbreak in 25 years, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will direct federal health agencies to explore potential new treatments for the disease, including vitamins, according to an H.H.S. spokesman. The decision is the latest in a series of actions by the nation’s top health official that experts fear will undermine public confidence in vaccines as an essential public health tool.
… Scientists have already thoroughly studied various vitamins and medications as potential treatments for measles, said Michael Osterholm an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota.
Decades of research have turned up no miracle treatment for the measles virus, which can cause pneumonia, making it difficult for patients to get oxygen into their lungs, and brain swelling, which can cause blindness, deafness and intellectual disabilities.
“It’s not that there’s been a lack of studies,” he said. …”
gtyellowjacket
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I'm pretty sure I did make a case. I linked a reputable article and provided a relevant quote. I've quoted it again for your reference below. I'm not sure what else you require to decide if a tiny amount of fetal dna in a vaccine is the same as a trace of fetal material in a vaccine.
"When [human] DNA from the production process has been measured in vaccines, it was only present in picogram quantities. A picogram is one-trillionth of a gram (0.000000000001)."
BoonetheAiredale
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Is it fetal material if it is cells reproduced from an aborted fetus from 60 years ago? That's your argument? You should be in nuclear fission the way you're able to split atoms. Get after it big dog.
gtyellowjacket
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Yes. My argument is that its fetal material if its DNA from fetal cells. I'm not sure how that is splitting atoms. Are you making the argument that DNA from fetal cells from fetal cell lines from aborted fetuses from 60 years ago is not fetal material?
StrangePackage
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By this "logic" a sixty year old person is comprised entirely of fetal debris.
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I fucking hate this guy so muchKennedy Orders Search for New Measles Treatments Instead of Urging Vaccination
Decades of research have turned up no miracle treatment for measles, but studies show the M.M.R. shot is 97 percent effective in preventing the disease.
RFK Jr. Orders Search for New Measles Treatments Instead of Urging Vaccination
Decades of research have turned up no miracle treatment for measles, but studies show the M.M.R. shot is 97 percent effective in preventing the disease.www.nytimes.com
“With the United States facing its largest single measles outbreak in 25 years, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will direct federal health agencies to explore potential new treatments for the disease, including vitamins, according to an H.H.S. spokesman. The decision is the latest in a series of actions by the nation’s top health official that experts fear will undermine public confidence in vaccines as an essential public health tool.
… Scientists have already thoroughly studied various vitamins and medications as potential treatments for measles, said Michael Osterholm an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota.
Decades of research have turned up no miracle treatment for the measles virus, which can cause pneumonia, making it difficult for patients to get oxygen into their lungs, and brain swelling, which can cause blindness, deafness and intellectual disabilities.
“It’s not that there’s been a lack of studies,” he said. …”
gtyellowjacket
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You don't understand how fetal cell lines work.
BlooVooDoo
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No, you didn’t. You linked a website that offered a simplistic explanation targeted towards people with even less understanding about biology than you and your interpretation is akin to that of religious fundamentalists debating sentence structure in the KJV.
What RFK said is incorrect in every practical manner. At some point even the most dedicated of contrarians must stop torturing logic in the defense of crackpots. You passed that mark several posts back.
Several months/years back.
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There really is no bottom to any of this. Texas GOP Attorney General and all-around horrible human being Ken Paxton is going after Colgate and Crest toothpastes for putting fluoride in their toothpaste! He claims that the companies that make these toothpastes are "illegally marketing" the toothpastes to parents and kids "in ways that are misleading, deceptive, and dangerous." The article goes on to note that
"The move is an escalation in an ongoing battle over fluoride, which effectively prevents dental cavities and improves oral health. Community water fluoridation has been hailed by health and dental experts as one of the Top 10 great public health interventions for advancing oral health across communities, regardless of age, education, or income. But, despite the success, fluoride has always had detractors—from conspiracy theorists in the past suggesting the naturally occurring mineral is a form of communist mind control, to more recent times, in which low-quality, controversial studies have suggested that high doses may lower IQ in children."
Just sheer madness. Link: Texas goes after toothpaste in escalating fight over fluoride
"The move is an escalation in an ongoing battle over fluoride, which effectively prevents dental cavities and improves oral health. Community water fluoridation has been hailed by health and dental experts as one of the Top 10 great public health interventions for advancing oral health across communities, regardless of age, education, or income. But, despite the success, fluoride has always had detractors—from conspiracy theorists in the past suggesting the naturally occurring mineral is a form of communist mind control, to more recent times, in which low-quality, controversial studies have suggested that high doses may lower IQ in children."
Just sheer madness. Link: Texas goes after toothpaste in escalating fight over fluoride
gtyellowjacket
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I also didn't agree with RFK. You must have missed that.
Was the website incorrect in some way?
BoonetheAiredale
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If you're willing to make that link/span across time, then I can definitively say it's not fetal cell dna, it's bacterial cell dna from 4 billion years ago that's just made its way up the chain. There is no fetal to it as there has been an unbroken chain of previous cells since the first cell. We good?
BlooVooDoo
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I didn’t say you did. I said you’re defending what he said and not very well.
There is no attribution for the statement, so I can’t evaluate. With that said, I doubt I’d find much to criticize about how they arrived at that figure.
The more salient issue is the interpretation of the statement. What RFK claimed was, in essence, there are pieces of dead babies in the vaccine. He didn’t use that specific wording, but that’s what he intended to convey. As I said earlier, it’s incorrect in every practical manner. It has no more validity than saying the tap water in NO contains human excrement from Memphis.
Even accepting the presence of DNA from the host culture cells at the picogram level, those nucleotides would be synthesized de novo with component molecules from a bottle of cell culture medium.